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Am i the only one finding it somewhat funny that persons stating lack of innovation from industry leaders coming up with yet another soap device? Where is the disc phone? Where is the keyboard device?

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A keyb device (alone) isn't innovative, far from it.

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No, but that is jollas job to make it innovative. But I agree. Disc phone would be truly awesome.

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I am not to ofte n logged in on g+ but today I logged in.

My feed was full of Ubuntu and Android buzz that made me pissed :mad:

Time to help the g+ FOSS folks about Jolla!!!

People here should help to got damn it!

Dont let that bloated Ubuntutouch win, cause of marketting hypes.

Canonical also is not using wayland/X11 for nextgen ubuntu(touch) instead they decided to make theyr own called, MIR WTF!

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Yeah I've been following developments about Mir too....
They risk marginalising themselves big time, but it's too early to cast full judgement, they haven't ruled-out active collab. with Wayland/Weston, or even merging efforts longer-term.
But if Mir's mostly/totally closed/proprietary, then there'll be lotsa anger in the wider community(s)...
They've also moved back towards Qt/QML instead of GTK+, they're re-writing all of Unity with it, great for the Qt biosphere overall, but not sure if it's great for them specifically.

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About Mir - see this thread (in order not to go into huge off-topic here):
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89377

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Hi All

As the current SDK sources are x86 based is anyone working on porting Sailfish to N9 or will we need to wait for arm sources or an arm image before it can be done.

Regards

abun880007


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Its New?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4Hf3LqwxM

Black ambience is stunning

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It is maybe only me, but I don't like what you are saing... Why you slam the Ubuntu and the Canonical so much? I personally love to use Ubuntu, very clean and nice OS. The Sailfish OS and the Ubuntu should not be at war! They are linux, so we need to pull the same rope! I personally like debian based distros more (.deb) and this is FOR ME maybe one big thing, why i may choose the Ubuntu phone over the Sailfish, but hey.. Don't you dare think i don't bye Jolla devise too!

Now i even use Google nexus 4 with android and i actually like the way 4.2.2 Android version + MiHome (miui launcher) working.

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the more i see from sailfish os, the more i like it. i'd love to have a full functional version on my white n9 *dream on*

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That's how life goes in the open source community. Everybody has an opinion, and it is usually a very strong one.
When a community decides they want something, they will hate everything which is not that something. I can't explain it better, but infighting and splitting up to factions over small issues like this are the biggest plague of the open source world.

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I looked at it.

Two things;

1. Easier to wait for ARM rootfs, as it will essentially be "plug 'n' play" so to speak

2. There are no apps installed in the emulator, except for a components example so even if we did recompile the emulator to an ARM image, and get it booted on the N9/50, it is utterly useless. Spending time to do both those for a useless rootfs is well, a joke

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There'll never* be a fully polished port due to complications that have been discussed many times before, chunks of functionality will remain broken.
Plus it'll be done overwhelmingly by the community, Jolla will facilitate as much as they "practically" can, but only a fraction of their time/resources will go into it, understandably.
They use the N9/950 "purely" to demo the UX, they have their own hw (not Nokia's) internally on which they do more thorough testing...

*well, never say never but it's very unlikely

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Sailfish will probably be quite nice and so will ubuntu but I will take years. It's intressting follow the fan boys with mikecomputing in the front. Don't make the OS to personal :D

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Haha exactly why I come here, to witness rabid fanboyism in the wild :D

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.deb is always slower than .rpm, and rpm5 (Mandriva based distros)is very fast!
What is rpm version of Sailfish? 4, delta or 5?

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The name of the package management system escapes my mem. right now (need sleep)...
There's comprehensive comparos out there between it & deb based ones, in the end they all have the strengths/weaknesses, there's no "best one".

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Yeah, one need only look at the status matrix for Nemo to get a sense that a fully functional version is unlikely. That's not a slight against the contributors to Nemo and Mer; they are a dedicated and extremely talented bunch. It's simply a realistic view that the hardware/driver issues will likely never be solved to make the N9 a fully-functional Sailfish device.

Sure, we've seen Jolla demonstrate the UI on the N950, but we've never seen them show calling works flawlessly, or the GPS, or whether it's using GPRS or Wifi for it's network connection. In other words, all we know is that it can run Sailfish well enough for smoke-and-mirrors, but a day-to-day device that does not make.

Sorry if this isn't new to this thread:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ure%3Dyoutu.be

And I would like to think that there is a good chance that Jolla will want a fairly workable form of Sailfish on the N9: giving Sailfish to this community is the right thing to do.

Plus, it buys them time and makes them money.

First, it is the cheapest way that Jolla can increase mindshare and engagement in a new-launch product. What's more, quite frankly, is that Jolla needs some time to make it to market. And turning this community into active Sailfish users and developers makes that time as useful as possible. We're basically volunteering to be their beta testers--why wouldn't they use us?

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Fark, fracking power outage! Had a detailed post... Short response:

I have to disagree... IMO it'd be foolhardy to be allocating anything more than small resources (which they've been doing) towards a slick/complete sol'n.*
AFTER their device is out (& after they've analysed sales for approx. 6mth), IF sales are looking respectable, THEN they could possibly increase resources much more towards that.
They must focus on getting it out, ideally by no later than Oct, putting a large amt of resources towards a full N9/950 port would hinder that, in a extremely tight/competitive market.

*nvm the fact that there's some real roadblocks that will prevent much of it anyway.

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I like the Ubuntu touch phone thingy too but I have to admit that canonical is going down a dangerous path, it is promising everything and hasn't delievered nothing and I mean nothing. Firefox OS has already established carrier and manufacturer relations even Jolla has signed a Finish carrier and Chinese distributors, canonical has never mentioned any of this they just say that carrier will chose them because they are open, and because they are sick of android. Cannonical promised last year ubuntu tvs and still nothing the ubuntu touch preview was full of mockery icons pretending to be apps. At the time Canonical is the posterboy for linux in the eyes of the consumer and if all this truns out into a flop as I am afraid it will turn it will be twice as hard for other open linux based players to make it in the market. IMO they need to STFU work on whatever they're planning and then show us something ready.

Don't get me wrong by no means I am not saying that Jolla is better than them Jolla has a very childish and nerdish approach to how they speak about sailfish "it's so cool it boots an a raspberry pi" they pay people to get sailfish to boot on all kind of hardware, why they do that is beyond me. But at least they have been talking about one or two partners.

IMO FF OS is the most likely to succeed then tizen then sailfish and then ubuntu. My personal preference though would be Sailfish, ubuntu, FF OS (I put them before tizen because I trust mozilla way more than samsung) and the Tizen.

EDIT I forgot to write that mark shuttleworth needs to stop f##ingg trying to be steve jobs and be hes own person.

You could be right, but how hard could it be to get something reasonably good to the N9/50 community, given that Jolla is intimately familiar with both the device hardware and all of the software combined? They should be able to do something like this in their sleep! Chop chop, Jolla! (just kiddin')

And I "know" or at least assume that they can't give us the dalvik hook-up, but I'm sure we'll figure something out. Heh heh heh. ;-)

Jolla needs to be as mature as possible at time of launch, which means as many man-hours as possible developing, testing, feedback, etc. And the faster they tie the plow to the beast (ie, us) and let us get started, the more work they will get done per unit time. Better for them to let us do as much as we can pre-launch, since we'll end up doing these sorts of task anyways and early momentum is more valuable, IMHO.

Are they going to give our devs developer devices like BB did? They should hook that up, too.

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There must be different like 0.1s :D? I can live with that. Actually i found this:
"The one advantage to .deb based systems is that the package manager (APT) generally does work faster, since .rpm by nature requires far more meta-data to parse through. Even this margin is narrowing, openSUSE has made some wicked strides with the latest version of zypper."

and

"Both rpm and deb perform similar functions. Rpm has better documentation than deb. Both are equally stable, so no difference there. Which is easier? Depends on what you're used to. Deb is apparently easier to make packages, but harder to maintain."

source: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/o...re-stable.html

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New video - Jolla Sailfish OS and UI hands on


[edit]

What I just saw got my quite worried, When you open an app on N9 and swipe away the app goes in multitasking view and you can see it where you left it off, some even update in real time.

At 3:32 on the video he had the gallery app open with a picture and menu shown but when he swiped away on the tile it displayed the default gallery layout and not what he has open :(

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Ack'd.

This. No seriously, i don't get it either. It seems common btw. f.e. open webOS spackers tend to do the same. Or Arch people; for me Arch / Alarm turned out being the most broken distro that i discovered in recent years. Ok it's not quite mature yet because of the period of it's existence, but one can really expect to have seriously broken things every second upgrade. But there are oh so many Alphas for all kind of sticks / mini / plug-boards and media devices. (And systemd debacle - that turned away quite a few people; Gentoo seems to treat its users better, better as in "let's ask what people prefer and leave them their choice", not "it's solely our decision")

I couldn't care less if something boots on a multitude of (mainstream and/or small batch) devices.

I care about:
- design decisions thought thru in full before being chiseled in stone
- frameworks / integration / APIs being complete (especially media and communication frameworks)
- no shortcuts taken (only subpart xy of spec implemented))
- no hacks that will bite you in future (Nokia?!)
- everything tested thoroughly (dito)

And what usefulness is an OS if it is available, open, and portable, if i have nothing diverse & professional to run on it? That will be the most important question. Until then, i will refrain from experiments. I can't stand hackjobs anymore, so things have to develop for them. Until then, i prefer to invest in my car.


:D

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Have a look at "Background Behavior", "Covers", and "Active Covers" here: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-sili...lifecycle.html

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Hmm not exactly real multi-tasking then if animations etc are disallowed in active covers?

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Actually, an "Active Cover" is something different: it allows interaction with the app from the application switcher.
Which is, imho, a novel thing.

What you mean is a "Cover" that is updated in realtime.
According to the linked document, applications are explicitly allowed to perform actions like computations etc. in the background. Which, imho, is exactly what multitasking is about.
The link i mentioned just gives a little guidance on how to improve background activity of apps.
It even does not forbid that you still perform fancy 3D rendering or HD video playback or other fancy stuff and update the "Cover" with this while in background.
It just gives the "hint" that apps shouldn't do it.

Edit:
To correct myself: at one point it says that, "All animations must be paused and, if possible, unused resources released.".
Which kinda would prohibit doing fancy stuff like 3D rendering or video playback.
Otoh, I think we can only truly explore the capabilities of Sailfishos once it is officially out. ;)

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Off-topic: Regarding Sailfish port to N9, could this image be real?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...40938339_n.jpg

Taken from http://www.facebook.com/ | Jolla Pioneer Fans Group

Pretty sure it's fake as there are no sailfish image with all base apps AND the reflection on screen looks likes the sailfish trailer.

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Yep, it's a fake, a funny one though :)
The person who made it did quite a good job, but he used the picture from the 55th second of the 'Presenting Jolla' video right in the moment when an invisible finger does this cover gesture to call someone. So, on this fake picture, you can see six fingers - five on the hand and one extra, invisible ;)

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I kinda recognized that, good editing though..

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Wow you do analyze some stuff.. Well, I thought of that but didn't think it could really be an edit :)

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But it does look nice on the N9, doesn't it? ;)

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Looks SEXY!!!!!

Of course it does! Sailfish was MEANT for N9 :p

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I don't mind the arch dudes doing that since they are not into this for making money neither is the openwebOS guys but Jolla does not have any investor with deep pockets, no established market and they admit that the first release is gonna be kinda do or die. And they pay people for getting sailfish on random devices. Seriously they're not paying them to make a decent browser or an email client. What is their selling point gonna be hey the browser sucks but this baby can boot on your watch. Not a great selling point.

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Jolla+N9 = Perfect Combination. :cool: