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From UK perspective O2 asked Sony to lock bootloader on their PAYG phones and won't authorise Sony Care Centres to change this feature.
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I'm having a hard time coming up with possible arguments to prevent a buyer from doing whatever they want with the device once it's in their possession. Surely this can't be legal?

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Carriers don't care and it's also one way to to push you towards buying a new phone instead of rooting your old phone and keeping it.

Plus I'll ask the seller on ebay if the phones are factory unlocked or were unlock from a carrier afterwards.

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I can if the device is subsidised or loaned to the user rather than sold.

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Oh, but they do care. For one, to prevent hacking things like DRM or, sim unlocking. Oh that was two reasons 😄

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phew mines unlockable.

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https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/
I want to become cbeta member now :eek:

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I guess i misunderstood the blog as i thought that the CBeta group is already testing the images. Christmas is not that far away :D

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Wating from somebody from cbeta share his experiences [emoji847]

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HUH? Now its being pushed back to December?:mad:

Glad I ordered a Youyota tablet. And many thanks to Chen for all of his hard work. :)

This should make Dave happy. Jolla is about to start round 2 of the tablet refunds.:D Relax Dave.....Just messin' with ya.
https://blog.jolla.com/2nd-round-refund-update/

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Of course what did you think Cbeta stands for?

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I'm sure someone thinks this is facts, soon. Please don't spread "false news" based on snarky comments.

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Indeed. I hope there is no NDA. Anybody know the details?

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No.
Since first mention of cbeta no member has stepped forward.
This would be a good place to do so.
NDA is not or has not been Jolla style.

[speculation: on, fanboy: off]
My take is cbeta is limited to jolla employees as of yet.
Makes sense for them.
Reliable feedback, no public horrasment.
Hopefully they have good results and expand cbeta fast.
[speculation: off, fanboy: auto]

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IIRC, cbeta was created 2014/2015. None of those people ever shared anything - at least not officially as cbeta members. Also, one recent Jolla post (can't remember which one) indicated that having a small group that can keep information to themselves is the whole point of cbeta (as opposed to early access). So I doubt we'll read anything soon.

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'their style' or not, joining cbeta requires signing an NDA.

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If I was a C-beta member, I'd refrain even from saying "yay! great!", even without a non-disclosure agreement, because since the February announcement the only news we need is the actual release date. Being a Jolla fanboi (hurr,durr!) I'm prone to both complain and forgive Jolla, but everyone can understand that a half-baked SFOS would do endless damage.

Then, yes, being tired of talking about Xperia X too much, I eventually bought it... and ten minutes after unboxing I realized why Jolla told everyone not to rush to buy it.

They just don't want you to feel a prolonged pain in the asss using a reetarded Android system while waiting for the official SFOS release. You just need to buy it when you're ready to install Sailfish on it.

Man, that Android 7.0 is so stupid.

"Stupid" means that it has a predefined simplistic look'n'feel, and a humongous lot of options and hacks and quirks and variations and bloat and external services (though I admit Xperia Android bloat is way less than other Famous Brands Products). Being simplistic means it targets "everyone" (you know, 70% of "everyone" equals to "noobs"). Note that systems like Maemo and SFOS are "simple", not "simplistic". And that's by design. Android has quite too much legacy, and you'll think about it when at the first boot it will show 19.7 Gb free (that is: you'll gain quite a lot of storage space if you install SFOS) and even a preinstalled antivirus app (thanks, Xperia, you gifted me with a good laugh the first time I touched the "all apps" icon). Seriously, everything in Android will make you want to go speedyquickfast back to SFOS.

Xperia X hardware extras: the small 5V 1500mA charger (maybe I should verify the claim with a good tester), a somewhat short (92 centimeters) but robust USB to microUSB cable (no need to buy a stinkin' USB-C adapter, yay!), and a classic 3.5mm ear+mic set but... without the usual sponge covers.

The screen actual area is about 110x63mm. On the left side there's a drawer to accomodate a nanoSIM and a microSD: couldn't wait, took my pliers and cut my microSIM adjusting it to the slot size; it was a bit thicker than a real nanoSIM - had to carefully slide it in - but the trick totally did it.

After a few seconds on the dusty desk, I realized some dust had just found its place around the camera glass window. Jolla had the glass slightly retracted inside; the one on the Xperia X, instead, protrudes outside (ouch!) by 0.3mm (the 8.05mm of the Xperia X thickness becomes 8.35mm there). I think this is the only Achille's heel of the Xperia X.

And then, the camera.
Man, what a stunning camera. Coming from N900 and J1, I'm totally amazed. I don't remember seeing the same quality on any top-tier cellphone; on a scale from 1 to 10, I'd unironically rate this at least 12, and I'd almost say Jolla guys carefully chose the Xperia X because of camera features in low light mode - that is, the mode where you usually have wasted your best shots because of camera limits. I hope Jolla guys will soon add the full camera support, because it's clearly more than a megapixel count thing.

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Thanks for the solution. Not a bad thing at all imho.
That surely explains a lot. Mind revealing your source?
Or is it covered by NDA? ;)

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Well, you don't have to start it. ;)

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I personally know couple Community Beta members, yes they have all signed NDA's, they are community members, they can choose themselfs if they want to tell that they belong in this group, there are CBeta members on this forum here on TMO, if I remember correctly there are about 20(?) members there. :)

Not 100% sure about last point tho.

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Sony has great accessories, smart case combine with hall sensor, active noise canceling earphone. Hope Sailfish support them :)

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Bought a Xperia X today, waiting for it and the release of Sailfish OS image. Exited to have a Sailfish OS powered phone [emoji847]

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:D :D :D

BTW, today Jolla SDK 1707 was released. Wondering if Xperia X features made their way into it...

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The SDK version 1707 is based on the upcoming SailfishOS version 2.1.1 which has been released to early adopters of Jolla 1, C and the tablet.

What do you mean by Xperia X features? Apart from drivers I doubt there would be any specific features.

These drivers are only included with the specific device build. Also keep in mind that SDK and tablet is x86, Jolla 1 and C is arm whereas the Xperia X is based on the arm64 architecture.

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For example, Xperia X has NFC hardware (libQt5Nfc is shipped). Also, the "Xperia X" string is found in both VDI images (mersdk.vdi and sailfishos.vdi) of the SDK. :D

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Well. That makes sense since development versions of 2.1.1 was the first build shown on Xperia X, but I still doubt you'll find any Xperia X exclusive features on SDK 1707 not to be released for other Jolla devices :)

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A community port is unlikely to happen soon. hybris needs to be re-based to compile on AOSP for sony xperia x instead of CM. Hopefully Jolla will release an updated version of hybris that supports this.

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This doesnt need to be done by jolla, and can be done yourself. The patches for the hybris-13 branch are applicable and can be ported to an aosp branch.

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Hey, why no Jolla sticker? :D

I'm adding here a couple things. After the first few full discharge cycles, now it seems like the original 220V USB charger (rated 5V 1500mA) with the USB Sony cable can get the Xperia X battery from 0% to 100% in less than three hours. Using a cheap USB-to-microUSB data cable with the original USB charger, it's way slower (I'd guess Xperia X self-limits to 500mA).

I also managed to write a text message while in full sun without problems (it was the only real pain with the original Jolla phone screen).

This phone clearly deserves SFOS. :cool:

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There is the Jolla sticker! :D Already sticks on the laptop

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Sony xperia X series uses Qnovo technology to charge the battery, which basically focuses on taking care of the battery on each charge and also boost the speed of charge, but about your suggestion of usb cable, i do not think there is a difference, since Is the same charger ;)
...And absolutely that this phone deserves a decent operating system like Sailfish.

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according to rumors we will see android 8 update for X, which is good

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No if we get Sailfish OS first [emoji847]

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I meant good for support. Newer kernels, better drivers, etc

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Jolla will be using an older kernel than the one that comes with Xperia X and they will just backport some stuff to their older kernel.

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They already dropped hints that we could expect kernel 4.4 in future.

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That would be awesome if true :) I guess the initial plan will be to back port and then later use 4.4 hopefully