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danramos 2012-07-19 23:02
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1239727)
Try to read something else than US tech blogs. They all point to the same origin anyway, namely Engadget, and or just repeat over and over what the others are saying. But I'm sorry, I don't keep track of everything I read..
You keep track of supposed statistics but you can't even remember where you've seen them? You DO understand how this might make anyone skeptical of your statements. I've been pretty good about making sure I put links to things whenever I state statistics or facts--US tech blogs and other sources. (You'll note that there is more out there that we've been citing than US tech blogs, right?) I'm sure you can point out where you're reading your so-called facts to help us believe you better--because so far you're not convincing anyone.

Try citing some facts! It'll improve your skills of communication and your credibility.

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1240013)
You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.
Case in point. :) Please explain how ANY of that is true. Meanwhile...

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1239710)
Good news for nokia. The stock is on the move since the Q was not as bad as expected :D YEAH!

http://www.nokia.com/global/about-no...lts---reports/
Elsewhere... somebody's eating Nokia's lunch...

Google announces its Q2 2012 earnings, sees 21 percent growth
Google this afternoon announced its Q2 2012 earnings, reporting 21 percent growth year over year for revenue, at $10.96 billion. GAAP net income was listed at $2.79 billion, up from $2.51 billion for the second quarter of 2011.

As of the second quarter, Google reports having $43.1 billion cash and equivalents, and gained about 5,600 employees for the quarter.

Dared 2012-07-20 01:16
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1240013)
You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.
Tell me how the Lumia range is gaining traction, given the fact that WP7.5 has now been Osborned by Microsoft? If they're gaining traction then they should sell more in Q3 using your logic.
Oh no, wait, Nokia has said that Q3 will be worse than Q2....what did you say about traction? ;)

Dared 2012-07-20 01:18
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1240027)
and gained about 5,600 employees for the quarter.
Well at least we now know the ex-Nokians found a new job quickly

gerbick 2012-07-20 01:26
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1240013)
You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.
No. You have to only look at the key operative word, shipped.

Atari shipped a few million Atari E.T. cartridges. I'm sure a few million were buried in New Mexico and not sold.

There's a major difference. Nokia is not on the right path, unless that path ends with them bankrupt and out of the market by the time WP8.x is announced.

specc 2012-07-20 05:01
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1240027)
You keep track of supposed statistics but you can't even remember where you've seen them? You DO understand how this might make anyone skeptical of your statements. I've been pretty good about making sure I put links to things whenever I state statistics or facts--US tech blogs and other sources. (You'll note that there is more out there that we've been citing than US tech blogs, right?) I'm sure you can point out where you're reading your so-called facts to help us believe you better--because so far you're not convincing anyone.

Try citing some facts! It'll improve your skills of communication and your credibility.



Case in point. :) Please explain how ANY of that is true. Meanwhile...



Elsewhere... somebody's eating Nokia's lunch...

Google announces its Q2 2012 earnings, sees 21 percent growth
Google this afternoon announced its Q2 2012 earnings, reporting 21 percent growth year over year for revenue, at $10.96 billion. GAAP net income was listed at $2.79 billion, up from $2.51 billion for the second quarter of 2011.

As of the second quarter, Google reports having $43.1 billion cash and equivalents, and gained about 5,600 employees for the quarter.
Christ, get a life! It's not like this is an exact science for me. It's interesting though and I like to read about how things are evolving. Nokia is particularly interesting due to the sheer drama. But I don't keep a record of things I have read. This doesn't mean I don't remember the essence though. If I remember a site, I usually include it. I have no plan changing that, not even for your sir higness amusement. If you have a problem with that, just put me on ignore.

Besides, for someone who base his opinions on pure feelings, hatred against MS and Elop, you are not even remotely in a position for me to treat you as anything but that. That's no judgement, it's just the way it is.

Regarding Google, good for them. As I have said many times, Google is more like a force of nature than a traditional company. It's hard to see anyone beating them in the foreseeable future. But it's getting awfully crowded there, and very soon it will be no place fir anyone but Google and cheap OEMs.

specc 2012-07-20 05:30
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1240060)
No. You have to only look at the key operative word, shipped.

Atari shipped a few million Atari E.T. cartridges. I'm sure a few million were buried in New Mexico and not sold.

There's a major difference. Nokia is not on the right path, unless that path ends with them bankrupt and out of the market by the time WP8.x is announced.
You have become very 1D and shallow all of a sudden Mr gerbick. Just saying. Nokia will survive no matter what happens to WP8. That is what the numbers tell us. If WP8 is a flop, Nokia will have lost any hope for smartphones for a long time though. WP8 may flop, but it's more likely it won't, because the industry is better off with WP than without. They want WP to become a major player, that includes both operators and device manufacturers. HTC and Huawei are in the same tight spot as Nokia regarding smartphones, although not nearly as dramatic, yet.

specc 2012-07-20 06:22
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1240058)
Tell me how the Lumia range is gaining traction, given the fact that WP7.5 has now been Osborned by Microsoft? If they're gaining traction then they should sell more in Q3 using your logic.
Oh no, wait, Nokia has said that Q3 will be worse than Q2....what did you say about traction? ;)
See http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1893

They are selling more, obviously WP is gaining traction, but as to why now and not 3 months ago? Things takes time I guess.

They will probably sell less though because they are shifting manufacturing to WP8. They will produce less.

danramos 2012-07-20 07:12
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1240102)
See http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1893

They are selling more, obviously WP is gaining traction, but as to why now and not 3 months ago? Things takes time I guess.

They will probably sell less though because they are shifting manufacturing to WP8. They will produce less.
And now, my turn.. with citations...

http://img2.statista.com/uploaded/in...s_Deeper_b.jpg

With Windows Phone 8, Microsoft Just Osborned Itself
From the article:
"More likely, it's a tacit acknowledgement that the company's current path on mobile isn't the right answer. To be sure, Windows Mobile needed to go, but Windows Phone isn't working, either. The thinking is that the existing user base, while important and unfortunate to screw over, is still really small. Better to do this now while Microsoft still can, in other words.

Existing Windows Phone 7.5 devices will continue to work with the 100,000 apps already available in Windows Marketplace. And developers writing new Silverlight apps will have Windows Phone 7.5 and Windows Phone 8 customers, as the new version of the OS will continue to run Silverlight apps. But apps developed for Windows Phone 8 specifically won't work on existing phones, which means it won't be long before 7.5 users can no longer update their favorite apps.

A Twitter user who goes by the name of Natasha wrote that Windows Phone fans defending Microsoft's decision to orphan 7.5 reminded her of Stockholm Syndrome. I find that hilarious, and there's probably some truth to that statement. But whether you agree or not, it's clear Microsoft is at a perilous point, and needed to do something, fast."

specc 2012-07-20 07:49
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1240112)
And now, my turn.. with citations...

http://img2.statista.com/uploaded/in...s_Deeper_b.jpg

With Windows Phone 8, Microsoft Just Osborned Itself
From the article:
"More likely, it's a tacit acknowledgement that the company's current path on mobile isn't the right answer. To be sure, Windows Mobile needed to go, but Windows Phone isn't working, either. The thinking is that the existing user base, while important and unfortunate to screw over, is still really small. Better to do this now while Microsoft still can, in other words.

Existing Windows Phone 7.5 devices will continue to work with the 100,000 apps already available in Windows Marketplace. And developers writing new Silverlight apps will have Windows Phone 7.5 and Windows Phone 8 customers, as the new version of the OS will continue to run Silverlight apps. But apps developed for Windows Phone 8 specifically won't work on existing phones, which means it won't be long before 7.5 users can no longer update their favorite apps.

A Twitter user who goes by the name of Natasha wrote that Windows Phone fans defending Microsoft's decision to orphan 7.5 reminded her of Stockholm Syndrome. I find that hilarious, and there's probably some truth to that statement. But whether you agree or not, it's clear Microsoft is at a perilous point, and needed to do something, fast."
What is this supposed to prove? It's only a rehash of the numbers Nokia themselves ALREADY have published. Open documents for the entire human race to download, and I have already linked to that yesterday. Then they put their own token (edit: and highly subjective and speculative) no brain spin on it. Osborne me here and Osborne me there.

The sales numbers show no sign of the Osborne effect. Strange? Yes I think it is strange, but then it occurred to me, maybe this Osborne effect is way too much exaggerated. Similar to any theoretical mumbo jumbo that doesn't really have any real life effect. Of course, that's it. Because, how else can you explain that Androids with 2.2 sell like hot cakes. That fact cannot be explained if the Osborne effect is included. Clearly the Osborne effect is a load of crap. Nice food for the tech blogs, but no importance in real life.

danramos 2012-07-20 08:21
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock!
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1240118)
What is this supposed to prove? It's only a rehash of the numbers Nokia themselves ALREADY have published. Open documents for the entire human race to download, and I have already linked to that yesterday. Then they put their own token no brain spin on it. Osborne me here and Osborne me there.

The sales numbers show no sign of the Osborne effect. Strange? Yes I think it is strange, but then it occurred to me, maybe this Osborne effect is way too much exaggerated. Similar to any theoretical mumbo jumbo that doesn't really have any real life effect. Of course, that's it. Because, how else can you explain that Androids with 2.2 sell like hot cakes. That fact cannot be explained if the Osborne effect is included. Clearly the Osborne effect is a load of crap. Nice food for the tech blogs, but no importance in real life.
I think you forget that part of the Osborne effect is that you render your current product obsolete with the announcement of the new product. Android 2.2 still runs new applications and updates (as evidenced by the Galaxy Tab 7 I have right here running Android 2.3.5... running NEW applications that might even have features for newer devices). It's not rendered obsolete by the newer products, in the case of Android. Whereas, Windows Phone 8 applications cannot run in Windows Phone 7 and there was not upgrade path from Windows 7.5 devices which already were only JUST got released recently. Gun. Foot. Shoot-BAM!


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