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Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 296156)

I'm also used to anticompetitive business decisions to mute Linux. Say, for instance, ACPI crippling aimed at Linux in particular (i.w. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249). Take from that what you will.

funny stuff

Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 296156)

Wow, fun thread!

Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by notnarb (Post 296155)

Complete overreaction. Next to no one purchased an eee for the built in linux distro (Xandros) - it sucked pretty hard. XP is much harder to get installable from a flash drive than most common linux distros, and if you are going to be overwriting Xandros anyways does it really make a difference? The only real issue I see is people being butthurt about having to pay for a 15 dollar XP licence - most of whom are just people who wanted to pirate Windows to save some money. Yes, for those who strive for a life independent of Windows, that does suck a little.

Now if they provided a linux distro worth keeping, it would be a different story...

I agree Xandros did suck pretty hard. My friend who got the first EEEPC gave up on Xandros within days and install a modified version of Ubuntu customized for the EEEPC. He was happy with it till they came out with another EEEPC (and by that time, his was getting pretty dated and he was annoyed at the small screen). Sold that to someone else, and bought the new EEEPC netbook which came with XP. Tried that for a week, hated it and wiped it and installed Ubuntu Netbook Remix I think. He didn't even partition XP in a way to keep it as a backup or whatever. That or the custom EEE Ubuntu version. That seems to work better than XP or Xandros it seems (for him at least).

Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by BrentDC (Post 296160)

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png

* Proudly posted from my Kubuntu Box.

HAH! I actually printed and posted this in the isle at work. :) It's STILL there, too. I've even had the Windows admins chuckle over it. :)

Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by BrentDC (Post 296160)

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png

* Proudly posted from my Kubuntu Box.

I may just blow it up and make it my window's desktop background.

Re: ASUS leaving Linux...in a bad-taste way

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Originally Posted by Cadabena (Post 296123)

The first eee was a revolution because of Linux. How could they possibly think this is a good move? Besides the rather beefy cheque I imagine Microsoft has tempted them with... getting scared of the OS market moving away from a monopoly. Damn, I hate Microsoft :)

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 296156)

Yeah, that's an old sore spot among many old timers. MS used it as an early method by which to pretty much lock out ALL competing OS's, and not just Linux. They only started specifically targeting Linux in the ACPI standards changes when it became a viable threat in the primary marketplace. Or else it was about the same time that Linux started totally whipping Microsoft's *** in the server market. ;)

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 296168)

I agree Xandros did suck pretty hard. My friend who got the first EEEPC gave up on Xandros within days and install a modified version of Ubuntu customized for the EEEPC.

Yeah, we've seen this on a number of Linux netbooks. It's almost like they WANTED Linux to fail. Either that, or they were so bloody clueless about how to build a proper consumer Linux box that they went and totally boned it right out of the gate. The other possibility is they tried to "Windowize" Linux, which of course destroyed any semblance of a quality user experience right from the word go. Ask MSI. Theirs was the most boned of the lot, and thus died first.

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Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 296219)

Well, there's something interesting to that. There's growing evidence that all these sudden OEM "about faces" are actually the result of sizable payments or bribes to the OEM's by Microsoft to do so. I posted a news report recently detailing one guys findings (I think it was through Groklaw) on how this has been going on quite a lot ever since Microsoft got its but handed to it early in the netbook wars. Asus is just the latest casualty. Which sucks too, because they've done Linux a huge favor. Of course, that may be why MS wanted them out of the way too. The funny part is, the netbook OEM's are now fighting back by producing much cheaper, Arm powered netbooks that MS can't compete on. lol. Take that MS! We'll take your money, but we're gonna stab you in the back first chance we get! :D

Yeah, that's an old sore spot among many old timers. MS used it as an early method by which to pretty much lock out ALL competing OS's, and not just Linux. They only started specifically targeting Linux in the ACPI standards changes when it became a viable threat in the primary marketplace. Or else it was about the same time that Linux started totally whipping Microsoft's *** in the server market. ;)

Yeah, we've seen this on a number of Linux netbooks. It's almost like they WANTED Linux to fail. Either that, or they were so bloody clueless about how to build a proper consumer Linux box that they went and totally boned it right out of the gate. The other possibility is they tried to "Windowize" Linux, which of course destroyed any semblance of a quality user experience right from the word go. Ask MSI. Theirs was the most boned of the lot, and thus died first.

Intel had to pay 1 billion $ to EU antitrust comission, for doing the same thing as Microsoft does, bribing the PC manufactues to use only its product and not the competition.

Maybe EU commission should have a look at MS practice, who sends them an email?

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No idea. But wouldn't that be something if the EU exposed this. You talk about a whole bunch of OEM's with egg on their face. ;)

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Originally Posted by Cadabena (Post 296123)

EEE was a revolution because it was a dirt cheap laptop (albeit a substandard one). Linux has nothing to do with this. Having said that, ASUS may have handled their switch to Windows a bit more graciously. No need to piss people off in such a spectacular fashion.

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Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 296219)

The funny part is, the netbook OEM's are now fighting back by producing much cheaper, Arm powered netbooks that MS can't compete on. lol. Take that MS! We'll take your money, but we're gonna stab you in the back first chance we get! :D

How many ARM-powered netbooks do you see sold in an electronics store chain nearby? Yea, thought so.

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There is such a thing as "consumer Linux box"? The one which comes without an admin? This is news to me.

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The other possibility is they tried to "Windowize" Linux, which of course destroyed any semblance of a quality user experience right from the word go. Ask MSI. Theirs was the most boned of the lot, and thus died first.

Well, Ubuntu successfully "windowizes" Linux with either GNOME or KDE desktops. Apparently, it does not "windowize" Linux sufficiently enough though, as consumers still prefer the real thing.

See, independently on what you or I feel, a computer manufacturer needs to produce products that sell and do not get returned. Apparently, Linux has worse record in this area than Windows, hence the switch to Windows.