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Bratag 2009-11-24 04:18

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 388058)
3G Networks

"Ok not even going to bother trying to answer this one. How you managed to figure out their connection was bad I have no idea."

Because most people say so in the videos.

Please - point me at these videos. I would love to see them - I have seen a couple where they say the wifi network is very loaded because they are at conferences etc.

Oh and

http://thenokiablog.com/2009/10/15/n...3g-speed-test/

jakiman 2009-11-24 04:21

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
I've seen nearly every Youtube videos, many reviews/previews on sites, blogs, posts here and so on.

My 2 cents are:

1. It does have true multitasking and I didn't see much lag from the videos. Definitely better than any other phone it seems.

2. I don't see any noticeable tearing in this video. Am i missing something here? (I think this is retail version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15IC-ftd5uI&1&fmt=18
See around 2:34 for some side scrolling.

I don't understand how you can be disappointed about the phone yet.
This is more of a mobile computer and not a phone. For me at least.
So expect some major changes over the next few firmware updates.
(And expect TONs of new device-enhancing apps / widgets)

RealityCheck 2009-11-24 04:24

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Does anyone know what was in the changelog for the final retail firmware?

Which is retail 1.2009.42-11.002 or 1.2009.42-11

spinnukur 2009-11-24 04:25

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 388043)
Hi all,

I've been drooling over the N900 for at least a month now, I've seen every video on YouTube and elsewhere and read almost very review or comment that exists and I'd like to share my observations.

As of yet, I don't actually own any phone - but I have seen, held, played-with the N900 for a short period of time.

Jerky Screen Scrolling

The screen scrolling (sideways) is very jerky and causes visible tearing, at first I put this down to bad videos on YouTube - but all of them?

Is there some limitation in the graphics hardware or a software limitation or bug? who knows - but it does not look good. I would expect it to be absolutely 100% smooth, no excuses.

Here is an example of the Marketing Manager from Nokia demonstrating this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Az8VE1NtY8


Dodgy/Misleading Advertising

All of the Nokia N900 promotional videos have speeded-up multitasking and task-switching much like the way Apple did for their iPhone Ads in the UK - these got pulled by the ASA for being misleading.


Multitasking

I'm not sure this device can comfortably run two or three tasks at the same time, from what I see in all the videos it is more "Task-Switching" rather than Multitasking and even that is not very responsive. When an option is selected, there seems to be a noticeable delay of about 1/2 second before the device responds - Very slow internal storage?, Overworked CPU? I don't know.

In almost every demonstration video of Multitasking, the user has to tap the screen a few times to switch tasks, almost like the CPU goes to 100% busy for a short period of time - particularly after starting the music player and if you listen carefully the music is jittery when switching tasks.

Task-Switching is not Multitasking, having said that, the N900 seems good at Task-Switching given that most the apps demonstrated are actually doing nothing e.g. IM, web page, etc. these are all 100% idle apps waiting for input.


3G Networks

I have yet to see a demonstration video of this device working fast using 3G, it seems everyone has a bad quality 3G connection when making a video!


Software Limitations

The device has lots of potentially killer applications pre-installed - but I suspect most of them are riddled with limitations?

I say this because applications like Mail for Exchange is a major app for corporate users, but know one is shouting about it, why?

Skype integrated phone App + WebCam but no video calls? but I've read that Nokia "may" include this at a later date - well, I "may" buy it then.

What other software limitations exist? -


Slick Advertising

Nokia's advertising is very slick and cool - e.g. (http://maemo.nokia.com/) and I really I like it - but it promises something I suspect this device does not deliver.

For me the glass looks half empty, I think this device is still a few generations away from where I'd expect (like) it to be :(


Shipping Delays

Even though I have not ordered mine yet due to these delays, these delays are not nice and I'm starting to suspect there are more serious reasons why only a limited number are available - I hope I'm wrong.

Al.



iPhone lover...

Seriously their are so many videos on YouTube of people running 11 heavy, yes I said it, 11 heavy cpu apps, and they all run very well, especially for having 11 task's operating. Dude seriously, you're basing your opinion off of old stuff, and considering you just made this post means, you probably saw all the new videos, but they didn't 'fit' in with your plans to write up this negative post.

Go back to your iPhone or Android as I'm sure you're a user of one of them.

RealityCheck 2009-11-24 04:29

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 388069)
I've seen nearly every Youtube videos, many reviews/previews on sites, blogs, posts here and so on.

My 2 cents are:

1. It does have true multitasking and I didn't see much lag from the videos. Definitely better than any other phone it seems.

2. I don't see any noticeable tearing in this video. Am i missing something here? (I think this is retail version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15IC-ftd5uI&1&fmt=18
See around 2:34 for some side scrolling.

I don't understand how you can be disappointed about the phone yet.
This is more of a mobile computer and not a phone. For me at least.
So expect some major changes over the next few firmware updates.
(And expect TONs of new device-enhancing apps / widgets)

I'm not saying any other phone is better or worse?, just highlighting my own observations:

If you look at your video at exactly 2:50 you'll see what I mean, look at the top 3rd of the screen.

f pickels 2009-11-24 04:30

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Why is it just about every time somebody has anything negative to say about the N900, well informed or not. experienced with the N900 or not. Some one here has to tell them to F#@% Off, or some thing to that effect. I do not get it.

Bratag 2009-11-24 04:31

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by f pickels (Post 388077)
Why is it just about every time somebody has anything negative to say about the N900, well informed or not. experienced with the N900 or not. Some one here has to tell them to F#@% Off, or some thing to that effect. I do not get it.

If this guy had anything in his original post that WAS well informed I might not have told him to take a flying leap at a rolling donut. But he didn't.

YoDude 2009-11-24 04:33

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 388043)
Hi all,

I've been drooling over the N900 for at least a month now, I've seen every video on YouTube and elsewhere and read almost very review or comment that exists and I'd like to share my observations.

As of yet, I don't actually own any phone - but I have seen, held, played-with the N900 for a short period of time.

Jerky Screen Scrolling

The screen scrolling (sideways) is very jerky and causes visible tearing, at first I put this down to bad videos on YouTube - but all of them?

Is there some limitation in the graphics hardware or a software limitation or bug? who knows - but it does not look good. I would expect it to be absolutely 100% smooth, no excuses.

Here is an example of the Marketing Manager from Nokia demonstrating this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Az8VE1NtY8


Dodgy/Misleading Advertising

All of the Nokia N900 promotional videos have speeded-up multitasking and task-switching much like the way Apple did for their iPhone Ads in the UK - these got pulled by the ASA for being misleading.


Multitasking

I'm not sure this device can comfortably run two or three tasks at the same time, from what I see in all the videos it is more "Task-Switching" rather than Multitasking and even that is not very responsive. When an option is selected, there seems to be a noticeable delay of about 1/2 second before the device responds - Very slow internal storage?, Overworked CPU? I don't know.

In almost every demonstration video of Multitasking, the user has to tap the screen a few times to switch tasks, almost like the CPU goes to 100% busy for a short period of time - particularly after starting the music player and if you listen carefully the music is jittery when switching tasks.

Task-Switching is not Multitasking, having said that, the N900 seems good at Task-Switching given that most the apps demonstrated are actually doing nothing e.g. IM, web page, etc. these are all 100% idle apps waiting for input.


3G Networks

I have yet to see a demonstration video of this device working fast using 3G, it seems everyone has a bad quality 3G connection when making a video!


Software Limitations

The device has lots of potentially killer applications pre-installed - but I suspect most of them are riddled with limitations?

I say this because applications like Mail for Exchange is a major app for corporate users, but know one is shouting about it, why?

Skype integrated phone App + WebCam but no video calls? but I've read that Nokia "may" include this at a later date - well, I "may" buy it then.

What other software limitations exist? -


Slick Advertising

Nokia's advertising is very slick and cool - e.g. (http://maemo.nokia.com/) and I really I like it - but it promises something I suspect this device does not deliver.

For me the glass looks half empty, I think this device is still a few generations away from where I'd expect (like) it to be :(


Shipping Delays

Even though I have not ordered mine yet due to these delays, these delays are not nice and I'm starting to suspect there are more serious reasons why only a limited number are available - I hope I'm wrong.

Al.

Here's a tip...

Stop drooling.
Electronic devices are susceptible to damage from moisture. A stream of drool concentrated over the screen and keypad could lead to these kinds of problems. :)

jakiman 2009-11-24 04:34

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 388075)
I'm not saying any other phone is better or worse?, just highlighting my own observations:
If you look at your video at exactly 2:50 you'll see what I mean, look at the top 3rd of the screen.

Hmmm. It's so hard to see. Maybe I can just see what you are talking about but dunno if that is a "problem" yet.
I'll need to see it with a better quality video or use it myself to agree or disagree with you.

romanianusa 2009-11-24 04:37

Re: Disappointed with N900 - Reality Check!
 
To the thread creator,

Don't be stupid and say things until you actually have the retail version on your hands. Some of the things you said are untrue and based on old versions. Why bother!


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