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And you've a lot of time to drink coffee until N800 renders a webpage ;-)). I like my N800 but it's to slow for some sites, its
to big for my pocket and I have to carry an extra phone.

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I wish that were the case but all too often even the most reasonable non-complimentary posts are attacked by our fanboys.

I'd try and answer it honestly as best you know. This is especially true of apps which may or may not be under development. Unfortunately it is not true of the Maemo OS.

Part of the problem is that Nokia hides too many answers. You want to know the planned release date (2 Feb 2010) and content of Firefox 3.5.7 (which is two releases away)? Go to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases. You want to know about Firefox 4 which isn't scheduled until 2H2010? Go to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap. You want to know about any Maemo release date or content? Nokia isn't telling.

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Idiots .

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You guys rock.

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you do have a point but hopefully the parts of the functionality that are still a little basic will be improved upon in time and if not i'm 90% sure there'll be 3rd party applications that will be more comprehensive in their abilites. for example a better media player. flash 10 support i suppose is down to nokia / maemo team unless its possible to make your own plugins for the browser (not sure cos havent played with the SDK much yet) in which case to open source community will surely deliver some flash 10 support. I think really its only a matter of time before the device has everything it needs

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Actually, Eyn, I think you're missing my point.

As jsa has pointed out, there's an issue with how complaints are presented: it is hard to know what to say when someone posts a rant because it seems they just want to rant.

However, there is nonetheless a good response, not in words but in actions.

When an individual says one thing and does another, a good rule of thumb is that there is more 'truth' in their actions than their words. If you take The Community as a whole (not sure you can, but just for this point) the Community may be saying "Go buy an iphone, you whinger!" but what it is doing is filtering the rant to see if there is a valid complaint and acting on that complaint accordingly. If you only take the words at face value as the response, you will see only a tiny bit of how people are responding to complaints.

Which is, as Texrat pointed out, a filtering exercise. Filter the valid compaint out from the rant, then filter the useful response out from the unwelcoming unkindness.

Would it be ideal if every complaint (and especially the calm, rational ones) were met with an equally calm reply that there's already a bug filed/brainstorm posted/app under development? Sure it would. Sadly, internet fora don't work like that. Hopefully the people complaining also realise that.

Maybe you could be part of the solution by pointing people to where their complaints are being addressedand encouraging them to vote on bugs and brainstorms?

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Yes, fanboyism stinks. But can you really avoid it anywhere? I'd urge everyone to really try and see the shades of grey.

I was mostly talking about the out of the box package. I honestly think that some people might be better off with something else for now. There are features missing, rough edges, annoyances and I don't think anyone here is denying it? But people seem to get offended if they are (often realistically) suggested that maybe this iteration isn't the best for their use case.

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly.. so do you really think that Nokia or the Maemo team isn't constrained by time and resources? Of course they are. I'm 100 % sure they didn't leave all this stuff out because they thought it wasn't needed. It's balancing between when to release and what to put in. Now what you _can_ argue is whether they should have released it later with more features implemented. This is a matter of opinion and there are good arguments on both sides.

This is another case where things just aren't black and white. Just food for thought.. What if Firefox missed the planned release date? Do you think there'd be something in the league of 10000 angry messages on their boards and people proposing class-action lawsuits like here? Do you think Nokia's and Mozilla's business models and competition are similar enough so that you can just compare the practices 1:1? I don't think Nokia is keeping information on themselves just to piss people off but I'm most certainly not saying there's no room for improvement.

You can find quite a bit of information about stuff brewing at Nokia that is publically available, so it also isn't quite right to say that Nokia isn't telling about their future plans.

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thank you for this useful post

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You should go back and look at some of your own posts ossipena...

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I've noticed the same.

people write their firs post at really aggressive tone when their device is rebooting all the time. blaming that the device is ****, nokia will die because of that, community members are all gay etc...

a) there is thread here for that
b) there is a bugzilla entry for that
c) http://www.google.fi/search?rls=en&q=n900+random+reboot
(both of two previous can be found from first page)

or the n900 really sucks where OP starts by dissing the device and continues it until he admits at the end that he can't give his device away ;)

remember that forest will always answer at the same tone you shout at there.

first lot of people come here trollin all the way when there is a delay, then another mob comes here to troll about how n900 is a failure (and they have defective hw for example).
and at the same people blame the community because they're not spoonfeeding about how to install extras-dev or testing stuff and other .debs. then they will come and blame n900 because it was bricked in the process.

so in nutshell: there is no realistic way to please that group of people....