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ysss 2010-02-18 05:49
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
If you want the users to take more responsibility of their actions, then they should be informed of what the updates contain and any warnings/cautions about it before he initiates the upgrade process.

Even Windows and OSX do this on their system updates...

pelago 2010-02-18 09:55
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 533212)
You realize this isn't community-created, right? Nokia contracts Andre to create the list and it gets posted on the wiki because that's a place where it can be improved by the community if need be.
I would have expected to see at least a blog post or a news item from Nokia mentioning the upgrade and a changelog. The changelog can be copied to the wiki and improved by the community later, but I still think there should initially be an official announcement/changelog. Witness the confusion when the upgrade came out of the blue, and there was no web page to consult to even see if it was genuine.

ossipena 2010-02-18 09:59
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
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Originally Posted by jacktanner (Post 532356)
I'm kind of unhappy over the release of firmware updates without official changelogs. Case in point: PR 1.1.1. I'm aware of the changelog on the wiki, but community created ones are beside the point. I want to have a detailed, human-readable list of what's in an update before I install it.

Let's talk about it, and if enough people feel the same, we can start a brainstorm.
you missed it just a little bit:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1

simple change to url gives you something you are after, doesn't it?

e: it is fine to me that only the bigger updates are given proper changelog. it's better than nothing (the way it was before) and I am hoping PR1.2 will get similar one after it has been released.

Andre Klapper 2010-02-18 12:36
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Originally Posted by jacktanner (Post 533652)
But if something is wrong with the changelog that Andre posts, I can't know if that's his fault or Nokia's fault (or some wiki editor's fault).
It's a mixture. :-P Sometimes bug reports internally get closed with a "It's already FIXED as I remember something, but I don't remember which exact internal release and don't have time to search for it in ChangeLogs or if a ticket for this existed to correctly mark it as a duplicate".
Hence sometimes things are a bit unclear, also because of Nokia's unclear branching policy - 3.* was PR1.1.1 as we all know now, but it took me a while to find out whether 3.* just included some "cherry-picked" patches, or if it was branched at some point from the internal "master" releases that will lead to a PR1.2 release etc.

Hope this helps a bit...

el3ctronick 2010-02-18 13:31
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they probably dont know the changes they made. same thing happened with maemo5. they didnt know it doesnt suit them. it just took them 2 months to realize.

Andre Klapper 2010-02-18 13:48
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
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Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 534331)
they probably dont know the changes they made.
They should know, as they knew for 2.2009.51-1. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1
Nokia is not a bunch of totally unorganized hippies (though it sometimes may look like that). :-P

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Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 534331)
same thing happened with maemo5.
Please provide proof for your statement, or elaborate at least.

el3ctronick 2010-02-18 14:03
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 534376)
They should know, as they knew for 2.2009.51-1. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1
Nokia is not a bunch of totally unorganized hippies (though it sometimes may look like that). :-P



Please provide proof for your statement, or elaborate at least.
maemo5 announced that it is discontinued after 2 and a half months of life. during these 2 months they were saying that maemo will be their primary OS for all nokia devices. i think thats enough.

GeneralAntilles 2010-02-18 14:09
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Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 534414)
maemo5 announced that it is discontinued after 2 and a half months of life. during these 2 months they were saying that maemo will be their primary OS for all nokia devices. i think thats enough.
Yeah, you should probably do some more reading or something.

zerojay 2010-02-18 14:35
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
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Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 534414)
maemo5 announced that it is discontinued after 2 and a half months of life. during these 2 months they were saying that maemo will be their primary OS for all nokia devices. i think thats enough.
What the hell are you talking about?

Andre Klapper 2010-02-18 14:40
Re: Firmware updates without changelogs
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 534414)
maemo5 announced that it is discontinued after 2 and a half months of life. during these 2 months they were saying that maemo will be their primary OS for all nokia devices. i think thats enough.
These statements are worthless without exact quotes, with exact URLs. I can also state anything without proving.
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_u...inty_and_doubt .


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