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fatalsaint 2010-02-18 20:34

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by SubCore (Post 534891)
you really couldn't go on without that smiley any longer, so you had to link externally... :D

Yes.. this is just one of those times where it was truly necessary ;).

fmo 2010-02-18 21:33

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
To be honest, I love my Debian and apt-get but these days RPM Management is superior.

www.rzr.online.fr 2010-02-24 00:38

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by fmo (Post 535340)
To be honest, I love my Debian and apt-get but these days RPM Management is superior.

Then report wish bugs in dpkg or aptitude :-)

In a few words, please tell ...

btw doesn't SuSe support also apt, can this be adapted to moblin ?

ps : is there a survey on moblin side like that one :
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44597

dick-richardson 2010-02-24 00:54

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 535081)
Superior? That's a joke! Software which ASKs me about permission to delete some packages if I just DOWNLOAD yet-another-package, and keep me nervous up to last point presenting that it installs yet-another-package...

BTW, give me please the command line - how to download a SINGLE package from repository and doesn't pull all depending packages? I hesitate to experiment with it because ... see the previous paragraph.

What are you trying to accomplish?

quipper8 2010-02-24 00:55

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 535081)

BTW, give me please the command line - how to download a SINGLE package from repository and doesn't pull all depending packages? I hesitate to experiment with it because ... see the previous paragraph.

apt-get -d install PACKAGE-NAME

check in var/cache/apt/archive for the deb

Honestly, from being on meego irc for about a week during the changeover, the biggest reasons for the switch to rpm are:

the lower level stuff is already rpm
they plan to use open build service(OBS) which works a little better with rpm
zypper


all in all, most of these moves will make it easier for DEVELOPERS, which is a good thing IMO. Right now packaging for maemo is more tedious for *some* developers than actually developing. With OBS you will basically just upload your stuff and it will be packaged for you.

As an end user, if you like apt, you will like zypper too. The commands change very little:

zypper install PACKAGENAME
zypper remove PACKAGENAME
zypper search PACKAGENAME

http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage/...lling_Packages

dick-richardson 2010-02-24 01:07

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
zypper purge PACKAGENAME...?

This is a mobile device - I don't have the resources to waste on unneeded dependecies.

quipper8 2010-02-24 01:34

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by dick-richardson (Post 543599)
zypper purge PACKAGENAME...?

This is a mobile device - I don't have the resources to waste on unneeded dependecies.

i think it saves old conf files in an rpm cache under var somewhere o r sometimes in the same directory if directory remains after remove, so no there is now purge command, but the old conf files are saved and you can delete them if you want to.

find / -print | egrep "rpmnew$|rpmsave$"

you can pipe this to rm or whatever or total up the size and see if it is really worth worrying about

other than that, hopefully it is coming for dependencies removal

https://features.opensuse.org/300758

supposedly mandriva has something similar now.

pycage 2010-02-24 07:45

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
I'm also not very fond of the switch to rpm.
Not because rpm is inferior to deb, which it isn't, but because rpm's complexity will possibly lead to problems that you don't have with deb's simplicity.

However, rpm supports delta-rpm which only contain differences. This would certainly be interesting for software updates OTA on 2G/3G.

togge 2010-02-24 15:35

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
I don't get it.. why wouldn't you want the dependencies for the program your installing??

slender 2010-02-24 15:40

Re: Why RPM and not DEB?
 
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Originally Posted by craftyguy (Post 533432)

Actually DO NOT USE IT!
Use power search (powered by google) it is light years better finding stuff. Offical search just sucks too much or if you are happy iterating trought different keywords and combinations for one minute and you have good nerves then please :)


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