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sebastian.linux 2007-02-08 14:55

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
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Originally Posted by Chas McG (Post 33872)
Why? Well, after a year of Maemo development, the built-in email program on the 800 is useless with IMAP.

Why's that? I'm currently using the native email program on the 770 with POP3, and it works fine. Is it different on the 800 or with IMAP?

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The version of Opera is so quirky that the forums generally recommend Minimo -- but Minimo is so unfinished that a single button press can blow up the whole app.
It's true that MiniMo hangs a lot. But I'm fully satisfied with the native (Opera-based) browser on my 770 (I suppose it's very similar to that on 880). I think that it was really enhanced with ITOS ver.49-2


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Installing software is much easier with repositories, but the forums are still full of users finding "x component not found" error messages.
That's because of not having a complete list of repositories. I think this link could momentarily help those users:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=4456

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And then there's the whole "it's not a PDA, so we're not going to include decent contact or calendar software" thread, or the challenges of the handwriting recognition, or...
I find GPE-calendar useful as well as the contact native software.

About the handwriting recognition... I prefer to use directly my fingers. When you rab the screen, a big enough virtual keyboard full screen opens up.

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Don't get me wrong -- I love the screen on the 800, and the speed, and I love playing around with it, but for every day use, the E70 works, while, more often than not, the 800 doesn't.
At this point I completely agree with you. I rely more on the always-working-perfect software of my little N80 than on that of the 770. But it's what the linux thing is about.

There also are some advantages with the 770. Besides the wider screen, there's an application: OCTAVE (a free version of MatLab), that would be almost impossible to find in any other device. There are other advantages, like NMAP, or KISMET, and other NET tools, that you'll hardly find in Symbian or non-Linux devices. With 770 you're even able to recompile the kernel (what other "PDA" is able to do that?). I mean that with 770 you have COMPLETE CONTROL over the machine (that's also the linux thing again). That deserves a little bit of weird behaviour in some apps, I think. The premium is that you really have a mini-LAPTOP. With all that implies: good or bad.

With an N80 you have what you have (and it's really very GOOD). With an N770 the limit is your imagination...

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I think Walter Mossberg's review from last year still holds true -- the 800 is a marvelous piece of hardware that is held back by unfinished software.
Surely I think it's partly true. But it's the linux thing again all about.

Salut.
Sebas.

Milhouse 2007-02-09 14:58

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
First E90 pictures... http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/09/n...or-first-pics/

The 800x352 internal screen isn't a touchscreen :( - unofficial "review" here.

I understand the E90 *will* have built-in GPS, so take the Engadget specs with a pinch of salt, they're not the most reliable source at the best of times.

rr0123 2007-02-09 17:37

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
That looks promising, even without the touchscreen, so long as it has a way to quickly scroll through links.

Karel Jansens 2007-02-09 18:53

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
Is it running Series 80? I never liked it, although it's the closest a modern PDA comes to the old Psion Series 3XX. It's probably that, after my 5MX, I got spoiled with touch screens.

badger 2007-02-10 09:07

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
The e90 run "s60 version 3 feature pack 2" s80 has been dead for sometime now.

Milhouse 2007-02-10 20:43

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
The E90 seems to be destined to use feature pack 1 not feature pack 2, which is odd as FP2 has just been released and the e90 isn't going to be available for another few months.

Karel Jansens 2007-02-10 20:59

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
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Originally Posted by badger (Post 34228)
The e90 run "s60 version 3 feature pack 2" s80 has been dead for sometime now.

OK. I don't know much about S60 (being a UIQ man myself :cool: ). Isn't the ill-fated S90 mainly what was incorporated in that version?

andras 2007-02-11 10:41

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
As someone who uses a 9300 as their daily phone, and also has a 770 and an 800, I have to say that I can't wait for the e90. Granted, I'm a gadget freak - my list of daily phones going backwards is: 9300, 6682, HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125), Blackberry (don't remember the model), 9500, Sony 910, then it gets a bit fuzzy. Add to that the 800, 770, Sony Mylo, various iPaqs, palms, etc, and you get the idea.

Anyway, I have to say that for straight productivity in a mobile environment, using my normal tasks as a benchmark for productivity, the 9300 is hard to beat. Its messaging app (my most used tool) simply blows away anything that I can find for the tablets. The ability to easily manage several accounts, using IMAP, is truly a godsend. The next feature that I use on a regular basis is actually the phone portion of the device (3 to 4 hours a day on the mobile is the norm, with 5 to 6 not being unusual - and that's just for work). From there the phone devices go a bit downhill. Internet access, used for some web browsing, SSH, Telnet and VPN are the next in line application wise. The 9300 can handle most of those fairly well, but the s80 platform and anemic processor leave a bit to be desired when online.

On the other hand, having access to a Tablet, with the addition of some minor software packages, allows me much greater ease of use once I get the the Internet access portion of my tasks. Being able to connect to either my handset or a WiFi access point and handle the tasks I need to deal with is great. The browsers on the tablet (any flavor) really do blow away the phone based browsers. The fact that I have unix underpinnings and basic apps is great.

But, even though I usually have both the 9300 and the 770 (the 800 is only a couple of days old and I haven't had a chance to play with it much but I have high hopes for it) near me when I'm out and about, the Communicator is still the device that I go to for most tasks. The 770 is what I go to for either Web browsing or fun. And I anticipate that will remain the same for a while, hence my excitement over getting an e90. I can't wait. Paired together with my 800, I think that I'll have a great combination of tools for my daily work.

SD69 2007-02-13 18:32

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
The E90 is quite impressive. It actually is going to allow people to duplicate 90% of laptop functionality in a handheld device, plus HSDPA. I think it competes more with an OQO or UMPC than the N800. This may also explain why Nokia took the internet tablet the way of the enthusiast N series.

cintra 2007-02-26 13:58

Re: E90 versus N800 - Nokia as own competitors ???
 
There is an excellent review of the E90 (probably my next purchase..) here http://tinyurl.com/yvsep5

mvh


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