Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

To be completely clear; are you suggesting a page in which Nokia communicates with us what we can realistically expect, or a page in which we make wild uninformed speculations about it? In other words are you trying to remove people's fears, uncertainties and doubts, or simply contain them in one place?

Yes, as I said, I'm sure we understand that it's not Quim's call.

I (slightly) disagree. Ranting about it here does two things; it informs anyone coming into this community about Nokia's attitude to communication, which is useful information in itself, and it provides a body of evidence of the costs of that attitude which should be useful in helping people like Quim get a change from Nokia management.

Clearly, there is a problem, and Quim's trying to fix it/make it go away. My point is that the problem, and the solution, do not lie with this community, and therefore trying to deal with it here is, as you say, pointless at this time. We can't fix this, only Nokia can.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

People need to understand that the phone medium is highly transient, especially in the current market place. If it does what you need today and for the foreseeable future just live with it. In 18-24 months the N900 will be long superseded and forgotten about.

Why do people expect so much support from a phone manufacturer for a product that has already been out for a few months? The major bugs are now solved, and I can't see any reason why Nokia are going to invest any money in adding features.

The purpose of the Maemo platform from Nokia's POV is so they outsource the cost of developing 'features' and support to the community which does it for free. All they intended to provide is a viable starting point and then it goes loose.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I've seen rational discourse achieve many productive things, but I've yet to see much good come out of ranting (other than personal catharsis).

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Well, however you characterise the feedback that's being given, it's being given. I simply suggest that if there is a desire to stop the complaining, then the correct approach is to fix the problem that people are complaining about, not to simply try to stop them talking about it. Furthermore, fixing the problem is entirely within Nokia's power, albeit not Quim's personally, so that's where efforts need to be aimed.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Perhaps not ranting per se, but stating the cooperative's lack of communication in hot subject.
It usualy leads to more aware consumers, which in turn refine (and sometime redefine) competition.

I personaly would have to agree with ewan, unless we misunderstood the purpose of the thread in discussion, and the intention was sort of realistic wish-pool/brainstorm for Nokia to pick from what it can/will to implement.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

You're still speaking too broadly. Some feedback is constructive, and some is not. Some is properly targetted, some is not.

Look, I tend to indulge speculation myself, more than Quim would prefer-- but I also recognize that there are reasonable limits and proper channels for it. If people truly want to facilitate change, then they target the right channels. Otherwise, they pointlessly rant whereever and whenever. Let's diminish the latter and push for the former, okay?

So... back on topic.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I suggest that users of talk.maemo.org should be allowed to discuss matters relating to Maemo as they wish, without Nokia censoring them. If Nokia do not like the speculations, the uncertainty and the doubt that surround Maemo and the N900, they know exactly what they need to do.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

There's been no talk about Nokia censorship, Matan. That is pure hyperbole on your part, contributes to the FUD and is counterproductive to this thread.

Back on topic, please.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Isn't this an indication that the community (yes, not all the community) is interested in this topic? Lack of communication leads to speculation, leads to arguments, leads to bad moods.

Sure, but ignoring it won't make it go away.

So why doesn't Nokia build on that momentum? It doesn't matter to the average user what Nokia is doing behind closed doors, they don't see it. What they do see are press releases and announcements that are carefully worded to leave ambiguity surrounding the N900/Maemo5 combination.

I see a wiki edit war over the nuances of what "turn-by-turn" means, or the latest blog/announcement/rumor. Not to mention a 100+ page thread like many of the other rumor/speculation threads.

If the intention is to remove the FUD from talk.maemo.org, then where will it go? It won't just disappear. Where can I share my thoughts and feelings (both good and bad) if not here? If you really try to eliminate FUD here, it will crop up on other sites, perhaps even specifically created sites. These sites will start popping up on google. What then? I suspect the FUD will grow exponentially as not enough people will care to monitor several sites and try to assuage doubts and fears other places. That would certainly harm the momentum for the platform if 3 of the first 4 links are to other sites overun with FUD.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

OK, but what is the topic of this thread - solving the communications problems, or stopping people talking about them in inconvenient manners?