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Blaizzen 2010-03-02 17:02
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Patent slow down technology and the world. We'd be better off without them.

Ronaldo 2010-03-02 17:05
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaizzen (Post 552650)
Patent slow down technology and the world. We'd be better off without them.
don't be silly, if you invent something and then decide to sell it but some one else copies your idea and sells it cheaper then you...then u lose, your idea stolen.

patents end after few years then it allows others to use it.

ysss 2010-03-02 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 552651)
don't be silly, if you invent something and then decide to sell it but some one else copies your idea and sells it cheaper then you...then u lose, your idea stolen.
expand: This fact alone will dampen developments that require large resources, because they usually depend on financial return of the resulting product(s) to finance the development costs and efforts.

azz 2010-03-02 17:22
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apple must be feeling the heat....:D

wmarone 2010-03-02 17:23
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 552651)
don't be silly, if you invent something and then decide to sell it but some one else copies your idea and sells it cheaper then you...then u lose, your idea stolen.

patents end after few years then it allows others to use it.
Software patents tend to be uncreative, uninsightful bits of legal sophistry used by large corporations and patent trolls to suppress competition and extract legal fees.

Most software patent infringements result not from seeing the technology in use elsewhere, but pure secondary derivation independent of the first. This alone calls into question pretty much any violated software patent, and because it is so easy to violate such patents no searches are -ever- conducted.

On top of that, patents last 20 years from date of filing which in the software world is an eternity. Patents issued in 1990 would only be expiring this year, and we've moved way, way beyond where we were in 1990.

quipper8 2010-03-02 17:30
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I will check back when this one is resolved, if at all, in like 5 years...

Texrat 2010-03-02 18:47
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaizzen (Post 552650)
Patent slow down technology and the world. We'd be better off without them.
Incorrect. Patents do the opposite. They provide disclosure, which encourages advancements.

The converse, trade secrets, do more to slow down progress.

I wish this silly old wive's tale would finally just die...

caveat: sorry, the claim was too broad and I was thinking the original use of patents. I agree that software patents are a problem.

Scottlfa 2010-03-02 19:05
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Looks like apple thinks they own the patent on cell phones, pda's and media players as Steve dreamed of them at some point while he was single handily reinventing the world of tomorrow.

Too wide a list and too many things he did not invite on it. Thinking apple's feeling threatened by Google and HTC, sweating much?

tso 2010-03-02 19:44
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 552796)
Incorrect. Patents do the opposite. They provide disclosure, which encourages advancements.

The converse, trade secrets, do more to slow down progress.

I wish this silly old wive's tale would finally just die...

caveat: sorry, the claim was too broad and I was thinking the original use of patents. I agree that software patents are a problem.
given the pace of development these days, 12 years (that can be extended for another period, iirc) may well make something obsolete by the time its available for anyone to implement...

milos621 2010-03-02 20:18
Re: Apple sues HTC for violation of 20 patents
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 552628)
Apple is now using several of the famous "iPhone"-patents. In case against Nokia they are only using one. It will be interesting to see if these also get used later against Nokia. There are few patents that overlap in both cases, but these are more ralated general computing, graphical UI, power managenment etc.

EDIT: looking at the issue dates on those Iphone patents and there some January/February 2010 in there. These could very well have just missed Apple's original complaints against Nokia, and surface soon against Nokia.

Also worth noting that HTC's Windows Mobile devices are also listed as guilty parties, altough the US techblogs seem to sell this as Apple's (indirect) attack against Google.
How about Google stopping suport for its products on iPhone. Imagine iPhone without gmail, google maps, GoogleTalk, Picasa... for 6 months maybe? Maybe Yahoo could try it to. No Flicker?


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