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Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 565402)

I've been hearing the Maemo 5 update promise since before Christmas. That is the sort of thing I am talking about.

You should download PR 1.1 and 1.1.1. Both released since before christmas.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

As if Nokia cared if you're waiting, whining or picking your nose. And if i was Nokia i wouldn't either, so enjoy the sidelines while i'm laying in bed, reading useless threads and typing this sh*t on my N900.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

Let's see:

You joined the forum 3 months ago
You don't possess an N900
The bulk of your postings concern a protracted decision to get an N900
You threw down an ultimatum in a public Forum to a large corporation to continue doing what you're already doing (i.e. not possessing their product)

I can appreciate that the "should I buy an N900?" question is a vexing one: The N900 is in a class by itself. It's got killer hardware, but a smaller ecosystem around it than competitors. It's got awesome potential, but Nokia's betting heavily on users to exploit it's potential by creating their own apps (thereby filling the ecosystem gap w/ competitors). And, it's also based on a very different philosophy than competing products. A philosophy that says, in part, you don't need 1 million apps in an online store because many of those would just replicate what you ought to do (and can do) in a browser on the N900.

I myself hemmed/hawed about getting one. A nail-biting experience I made worse for myself by trying to game the distribution system in order to get the earliest-possible delivery & lowest-possible price for it. [DELL @ $475, BTW]. Anyone nostalgic for those crazy days in this community can revisit my original post "Did Your N900 Ship Today?"

So hear me when I tell you:

I've been there.

It's just a phone.

You can return it if it doesn't meet your needs (or you find it cheaper elsewhere within 14 days of purchase <ahem>, <cough>, <nudge></nudge>.

But the decision to buy is yours, not Nokia's. Read the posts in this community from the VERY COMMITTED Nokia folks here. They and their colleagues are clearly working hard to execute on a distinct (and user-oriented) vision for a mobile device. They're trying to carve out a unique place in the market for that philosophy, and not occupy some 'me too' slot like LG, Samsung, HP, Motorola, etc.

You're clearly attracted to the N900 as evidenced by your presence and posts here. And I imagine your hesitation simply stems from the N900 being different. Possessing one might require moving out of your comfort zone a little (unless you're already a QT dev or NIT enthusiast).

Again, it's a phone, not a commitment for life.

So your decision really boils down to this:

Do you want to take the risk in buying it, experimenting with it for 2 weeks, and finding out if it satisfies you or not?

If it does, great. Join the club.

If it doesn't, it won't be because "Nokia betrayed me!" (a frame of mind many seem all too ready to adopt). It will be because the experiment of owning an N900 helped clarify your preferences & needs for a mobile device. That's certainly why I sold my N810 after only a few months (I wanted something more like the N900, which I dig more and more each day).

So make your decision already, and let us know how your experiment goes.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

Its not all its made out to be.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

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Originally Posted by gtessier00 (Post 565326)

Guys instead of whining about posts that other persons do, maybe you should be glad that these posts give visibility to us. If you don't think that Nokia people check this forums, you're wrong.
And seeing the number of posts you got, I deduct that you don't come here so often so that guy's post shouldn't irritate you, right?

spamming this ridiculous ******** only makes it harder for nokia employees to find anything useful here....

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 565294)

...I love the N900. I can't wait to get one. In fact, our household will probably get 3 of them.

But we aren't going to get one while there is so much uncertainty surrounding the N900 software. Maemo 5 updates ? Maemo 6 ? Meego ? Who knows ?

And that is the problem. Who does know ?

I'm sure someone at Nokia knows what is going on with the N900 software. But until that is CLEARLY communicated to the community and we see support and an upgrade path for the N900, I have no choice but to consider it a pre production idea (experiment ?) that somehow made it to production, which will soon be abandoned.

<snip> ...something about how open source will some how save the planet or suttin' and gain the N900 a market share similar to Fedora's... </snip>

...

I just read the following and I think it is relevant for you and the many people who have posted about Nokia's handling of the N900:

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...It's not even clear what's part of the official Android distribution and what's been layered on by manufacturers to differentiate their phones. For example, the Droid runs a mostly stock version of Android 2.0 and partially supports Exchange Active Sync, a critical feature for business users. The Nexus One runs a stock version of Android 2.1, and has far more limited Exchange support with no ability to sync calendars. Other vendors like HTC have taken great pains to customize their devices with an added layer of interface customizations like Sense to both differentiate and simplify their devices, as well as implement missing features -- like full Exchange support. The problem is users of devices running Sense (or Motorola's Blur) find themselves stuck on older Android releases such as 1.5 or 1.6, which lack newer core features like Google Maps Navigation.

I know that last weekend at least one Android enthusiast site reported that Google has promised to get 2.1 on every Android device. Well, that's all well and good and smiles and rainbows, but an unverified blog post from some Android enthusiasts isn't exactly canon to me. Are there hardware issues that will prevent 2.1 running on older devices? Screen resolutions? I recently tried to install one of the few good Android games and found it won't work on Nexus One as it has a nonstandard screen resolution. This isn't just about older devices either -- many new devices were announced at Mobile World Congress running either Android 1.5 or 1.6. When does it end? Either Google addresses the fragmentation issue immediately or it will find that Android suffers the same fate as Linux on the desktop.

H'mmm some of those^ issues sound familiar.

Looks like your ball is also in Android's court too! :)

BTW: linux total market share 7.3%, and of that there are 6 or 7 different active fedora cores. :confused:

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

Anyway, until an eyewitness says, "Yes, we put that thread about "Nokia, the ball is in your court" up on the bulletin board and everyone at the company read it", I'm going to assume threads of this nature are virtually ignored. If they weren't, the folks at Nokia would go insane. They have a lot of balls in a lot of courts.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

We were never promised the things you're asking for, they aren't obligated to give it to us.

Make your decision based on what we know we'll get or already have, anything more is just a bonus. Don't whine for answers to questions that people have been asking for months.

I don't know where you get your glorious sense of self entitlement but it needs to go.

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

[If it doesn't, it won't be because "Nokia betrayed me!" (a frame of mind many seem all too ready to adopt). It will be because the experiment of owning an N900 helped clarify your preferences & needs for a mobile device.

Yes... it's because "Nokia betrayed me!". Having never owned a Nokia device before, to give me something that is FAR beyond what any other company is willing to give me, is obviously just NOT ACCEPTABLE. Owning the N900 means I'm separated from the herd, DAMMIT I'M A FREAK!!!

Re: The ball is in your court, Nokia. I'm waiting...

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Originally Posted by me2000 (Post 565294)

I'm sure this has been said 100x before on this site and all over the 'net, but I'll say it again because, like advertising, sometimes repetition is the key to getting heard.

I love the N900. I can't wait to get one. In fact, our household will probably get 3 of them.

But we aren't going to get one while there is so much uncertainty surrounding the N900 software. Maemo 5 updates ? Maemo 6 ? Meego ? Who knows ?

And that is the problem. Who does know ?

I'm sure someone at Nokia knows what is going on with the N900 software. But until that is CLEARLY communicated to the community and we see support and an upgrade path for the N900, I have no choice but to consider it a pre production idea (experiment ?) that somehow made it to production, which will soon be abandoned.

Should you want to move the N900 ship forward, I recommend some very clear communication plus a large, large dose of community involvement in a truly open source development effort. If you want an example of how this should work, look no further than Fedora.

Until then, I, and others, will remain firmly planted on the sidelines.

I undertand your uncertainty about the future of the N900. I purchsaed mine two weeks before the anouncment of the software and updates. I decided to keep it and go for it anyway (hoping for this best:confused:). You can't go wrong with it compaired with other smartphones on the market. This is the furture! Compare it to any other and the N900 wins hand down in its current state!