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-   -   [Maemo 5] Should Sygic be free and subsidized by Nokia? (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48499)

geneven 2010-03-28 06:39

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
I used the map software many times, so it must have been usable. Not great, but could be used.

Mandibela 2010-03-28 06:56

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crispy (Post 584825)
since nokia can't be arsed sorting out sat nav for n900. whilst giving it to all their other lower end phones?

Short answer, no.

Sygic = teh suxXoRS

Whatever Nokia comes up with will be better (is already better). The Sygic app does not look good, it doesn't follow Maemo styling or guidelines for usage. They will also withdraw support for N900/Maemo 5 when Nokia get the native app to the level where the Symbian map app is.

Oh, and it's 'subsidized'.

x61 2010-03-28 15:30

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crispy (Post 584854)
who of this forum hasnt downloaded it for free anyway? most have i'm pretty sure!?

What? You can that?

x61 2010-03-28 16:39

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crispy (Post 584878)
because i havnt!

Because you have yet to download it?

Ronaldo 2010-03-28 16:41

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
i think nokia should pay my line rental because i cant be bothered to pay.

maybe i should make a thread:rolleyes:

galets 2010-03-28 18:07

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 585577)
i think nokia should pay my line rental because i cant be bothered to pay.

maybe i should make a thread:rolleyes:

I think you are missing the point here. People buy expensive hardware on which Nokia advertised "ovi maps". When item arrives, there is some useless piece of crap which by some weird coincidence also is named "ovi maps". Of course, they want something they could use in replacement.

When you buy Mercedes and something is grossly broken there, it is a common practice that dealer would try to make good by giving you a free rental in replacement. Nobody is talking about having Nokia pay for something they were never supposed to provide. But they sure as hell advertise ovi maps specifically on N900.

galets 2010-03-28 18:25

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 585054)
I used the map software many times, so it must have been usable. Not great, but could be used.

just a quick question. Did you use it like they use it here?

YoDude 2010-03-28 18:26

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crispy (Post 584825)
since nokia can't be arsed sorting out sat nav for n900. whilst giving it to all their other lower end phones?

Um... My answer would be no. :)

As I posted in another thread...

Quote:

Even though I was happy using MaemoMapper on my N810 in the car, I went ahead and splurged and spent the 49 EUR, $64 USD on Sygic just so I can have something to play with on my N900.

After all I haven't spent a dang thing on it in the 3 months or so that I have owned it so the cost wasn't to great. I mean, if I had an iPhone, even at a buck an app in three months time I would have pro'ly spent as much as Sygic costs or more...

I know when I first got an iPAQ with WinMo 2003, I spent an easy extra $200 @ Handango during its first 3 months and that's just for programs like the ones that either came free, or were made available for free in the N900's repositories.
As to your other question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by crispy (Post 584854)
who of this forum hasnt downloaded it for free anyway? most have i'm pretty sure!?

I haven't... And not because I'm a saint or because of the tenants of the even stranger little niche that benny1967 might belong to :p but, because I am familiar with the cracking process and the easy counter measures used to foil them.

Typically a "crack" is published when someone defeats the first method found in the software. Everyone on whatever "warez" site he belongs to pats him on the back and tells him what an outstanding "member" he is for this "gallant" (but usually simplistic) effort. He then moves on and applies his skills to other "challenges". :rolleyes:

I said the first method used by the original software producer but not all the methods that may have been engineered into it. I don't want to be using an application that unexpectedly "hangs" or "crashes" sometime after I opened it. Particularly one that I am relying on for something as critical as which direction to go in my car for gas (petrol) when the car's gage reads empty. :eek:

If I'm using the app for a long trip, I also don't want to have to stop mid way and re-enter all the information I had to when I first planned the trip. That kind of defeats the purpose of using the dang app in the first place.

Sure some may know some member named "crackzilla" or some such on a warez site with "mad skillz. yo", but by the time he gets to patching this "small" problem, you are left with a brilliant piece of work that is already 3 versions old and can not be upgraded to a more useful one. :p

"Release early, release often" has some advantages here. ;)

When it is all said and done the 39 to 59 euros you may have saved is not worth it.

In the case of Sygic I believe we as a community should embrace it and applaud the openness that it's producers have provided with regards to its configuration. Our efforts could be better spent developing companion software that helps manage POI's or to edit skins, etc. Plug ins to launch and control other apps from within this program might also be community developed...


Whatever Nokia does in the future may not be relevant. We have something now that works and you can either get on board and use it, or wait for a possible free alternative from Nokia... it won't hurt my feelings any, which ever way you decide to go.

If however, you are instead waiting for a free alternative provided by some dude named "crackzilla" on an underground "Warez" site... well, IMHO, you might get better results using some of the methods benny1967 posted about in the thread I referred to in the beginning of this post. :D

Ronaldo 2010-03-28 18:28

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by galets (Post 585667)
I think you are missing the point here. People buy expensive hardware on which Nokia advertised "ovi maps". When item arrives, there is some useless piece of crap which by some weird coincidence also is named "ovi maps". Of course, they want something they could use in replacement.

When you buy Mercedes and something is grossly broken there, it is a common practice that dealer would try to make good by giving you a free rental in replacement. Nobody is talking about having Nokia pay for something they were never supposed to provide. But they sure as hell advertise ovi maps specifically on N900.

ok lets say nokia should, what now?

galets 2010-03-29 02:37

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 585698)
ok lets say nokia should, what now?

Well: obviously Nokia is incapable or unwilling to develop functional navigation software for N900 in-house anytime soon. I would say, if they care about their customers, they should provide N900 users with a free copy of sygig, or another usable navigation software.


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