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gammer 2007-05-01 13:59
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 46481)
Actually, I do have a QWERTZ Stowaway (dishonest eBay seller; 'nuff said), and I've been looking for some way to re-mark the keys and turn it into a "normal" QWERTY. Homemade stickers seem to be the way to go, but it's not that easy to find the Stowaway's QWERTY layout in the first place.
Karel, this might be an option: http://www.thinkoutside.com/products...p_product.html

Karel Jansens 2007-05-01 15:26
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gammer (Post 46577)
Strange, really. I've tested 3 fresh units in the shop and xev showed unchanged key codes for the last 2 rows with and without Fn-green. Then I verified this by installing the kb as HID with Windows XP - Fn-green for these rows was also ignored! No problems occured on a pocket pc with drivers.

Since the keys for which the modifier Fn-green is ignored coincide with those keys on the QWERTY version which have NO green labels I suspect that their HID implementation for the new QWERTZ keyboard version has bugs.

Karel, it sounds as if this is not the case with your unit. So what about, say keys in the asdf row - do you obtain different chars with and without Fn-green??
I've never actually tried all the key combinations. It types letters in Abiword, which is sufficient for my purposes (I've kept my old Newton habits of a.o. having the stylus always handy and in any case, when I'm typing, I tend to only do text anyway). It's just that I'm accustomed to a QWERTY layout and usually type blindly.

[Testing keyboard] Indeed, from the second row on, the green fn key appears to do nothing. QWERTZ users appear to be yet another category of N800 users that are screwed over by Nokia's developers.

The original 770 BT keyboard plugin was a community effort, and the developers were extremely quick to react to bugs or other problems. Nokia apparently cannot be bothered...

Karel Jansens 2007-05-01 15:29
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gammer (Post 46585)
Hey, this looks good! It's not clear if the stickers are a total replacement, or only cover a few keys. I'll try to contact them.

Thanks, mate.

gammer 2007-05-01 15:40
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 46599)
I've never actually tried all the key combinations. It types letters in Abiword, which is sufficient for my purposes (I've kept my old Newton habits of a.o. having the stylus always handy and in any case, when I'm typing, I tend to only do text anyway). It's just that I'm accustomed to a QWERTY layout and usually type blindly.

[Testing keyboard] Indeed, from the second row on, the green fn key appears to do nothing. QWERTZ users appear to be yet another category of N800 users that are screwed over by Nokia's developers.

The original 770 BT keyboard plugin was a community effort, and the developers were extremely quick to react to bugs or other problems. Nokia apparently cannot be bothered...
But this time probably the guys at thinkoutside are guilty, since the QWERTZ version also does not properly work with Windows XP (same problem). If they do not fix it, then this keyboard is useless for me (you can't type backslash, for example, which is green above s etc.). Maybe as as qwerty with relabelled keys - but this is not what I've paid for...

Karel Jansens 2007-05-01 15:57
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gammer (Post 46605)
But this time probably the guys at thinkoutside are guilty, since the QWERTZ version also does not properly work with Windows XP (same problem). If they do not fix it, then this keyboard is useless for me (you can't type backslash, for example, which is green above s etc.). Maybe as as qwerty with relabelled keys - but this is not what I've paid for...
It wasn't what I paid for either, but at least mine was reasonably cheap enough (50 euros!). :D

I'm wondering whether it's a driver or a hardware issue. If I can find a clear picture of the QWERTY layout, I'll try it with the QWERTY driver. If it's a driver issue, iGo can be contacted via email support.

gammer 2007-05-01 16:16
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 46609)
It wasn't what I paid for either, but at least mine was reasonably cheap enough (50 euros!). :D

I'm wondering whether it's a driver or a hardware issue. If I can find a clear picture of the QWERTY layout, I'll try it with the QWERTY driver. If it's a driver issue, iGo can be contacted via email support.
It's definitely not a driver problem - there is no driver, just plain HID mode (btw what driver are you talking about?). I have used xev to watch the key codes. Thus it IS a bug of the HID implementation in the keyboard and this is at least a warranty issue. I'm still waiting for their reply. Might be there is some mysterious key combination which switches the correct QWERTZ HID on in the firmware (and of ?-). I'll keep you up to date.

Karel Jansens 2007-05-01 16:20
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gammer (Post 46615)
It's definitely not a driver problem - there is no driver, just plain HID mode (btw what driver are you talking about?). I have used xev to watch the key codes. Thus it IS a bug of the HID implementation in the keyboard and this is at least a warranty issue. I'm still waiting for their reply. Might be there is some mysterious key combination which switches the correct QWERTZ HID on in the firmware (and of ?-). I'll keep you up to date.
There has to be some sort of driver, because you have to select the keyboard layout in Control Panel.

gammer 2007-05-01 17:00
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 46616)
There has to be some sort of driver, because you have to select the keyboard layout in Control Panel.
Warranty issue because Thinkoutside claims for all of their BT HID keyboards on their website that they work with the built in BT stack of Windows XP SP2. The QWERTZ version fails in this discipline and therefore we(?!) have the right to return these units... HID remains HID. I'm also sure that a BT protocol log would give an additional proof as xev already did (it gets key events BEFORE any mapping to chars does happen).

bakerbaker 2007-05-02 19:14
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
this keyboard says its

Keys Layout QWERTY....which means its ok since its not QWERTZ with a 'z'.

therfore this is the one to get? just wanted to verify, i know karel says yes, but the whole qwertz vs qwerty is threw me off.

thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by bakerbaker (Post 46434)
hi, will this keyboard work with the n800?

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...p=1&adid=17662

Karel Jansens 2007-05-02 19:35
Re: Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard ~
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakerbaker (Post 46801)
this keyboard says its

Keys Layout QWERTY....which means its ok since its not QWERTZ with a 'z'.

therfore this is the one to get? just wanted to verify, i know karel says yes, but the whole qwertz vs qwerty is threw me off.

thanks
They all work. It's just that there appears to be a glitz in the German layout variant that makes it impossible to key in certain characters that are composed with a function key on the keyboard.

Sorry for polluting the thread... ;)


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