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So, you're saying the Nokia N8 is not a high-end device, right?
I kinda thought it was.

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The n8 will be the last symbian flagship

http://mynokiablog.com/2010/05/29/vi...at-openmobile/

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Oh, where have I seen such thread(s) before... Oh, wait.... I've seen a billion of em right here in TMO... YAY!

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As far as I could tell from Nokia's Qt-based mobile UIs preview, they are going to create S60/Avkon all over again, this time in Qt. So, it is probably good to lower your expectations right away, unless you are saving them for a huge disappointment when Qt-based Nokia handsets are released.

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It's so sad that companies are run in such a way, as the OP says I bet there are loads of people at Nokia who wish the N900 recieved more attention from the top management, instead it seems Nokia has a nice staple set of "Old Skool" managers, the type who know nothing about the product, the technology nor the customers. The opposite can easily be seen in both apple and google, to a better degree apple. It's clear that Mr Jobs knows the technology, he knows his customers and he therefore knows what makes them happy.

It's a shame really as I hate apple, google I can appreciate and to be honest you think Nokia would have caught on, alas it seems that due to Nokia's past a good number of these managers have been able to kick back and enjoy the benfits of the nokia brand without any real work, in doing so it seems Nokia is headed straight the way of the NHS (far too many managers who cannot do the job required).

As in a number of threads that have come before, it's clear that people arent unhappy with the n900 more so Nokia and there complete lack of... well complate lack of anything.

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Nokia has always been on mass producing phones, and a wide array of phones at that. They are releasing new models even now that are dual sim ruggedized simple things that will last for months on a single charge.

Believe it or not, there are a lot more simple phones sold than the latest greatest whizbang devices. Nokia has dabbled and dithered with maemo for five years and they are finally going to bring a consumer centric device(meeg-harmattan n9 whatever) to a wide market to compete with the latest whizbang phones from apple google.

Apple makes one phone, google makes one phone.

Nokia will probably sell twice as many of these in Africa as iphones sold in America

http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...es/nokia-c1-01

Point being, they are a large multifaceted company, but yes they are now bringing some new attention to super high end general consumer again with meego devices

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Thats my exact point, nothing new instead the same old phone, simple yes is churned out with the idea "don't worry it's a Nokia so someone will buy it" google and apple may only have one phone each but my point is that the way there phones are created, marketed anbd sold is completly different to that of Nokia. Google may have one phone but they have there fingers in ALOT of pies all of which make them money in ways never seen before, apple is similar in a way that they have pc, os's etc.

As technology moves on so will the idea of the "sinmple phone" everyone will want to check emails, facebook etc and unfortunately the like s of google and apple will have there feet firmly planted ready for the consumers, Nokia sat with nothing...

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There will always be people that could care less about those services. There are a lot of people on non-data phone plans and the iPhone is not for that market.

I think the new direction Nokia is taking is the wisest. There will always be a market for business phones, one for "simple" people, one for power users and one for mainstream.

E series = Business
C series = "simple"
N series = mainstream
X series = limited edition fashion phones

The E series should have 2 or 3 phones
The N series should have 2
The C series should have 5 (or the most phones because people in that market want their phones to have individuality.)
The X series should have only 1 phone

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.. and that is what I meant when I said I hope a sane soul will merge/bridge uiemo and meego touch before it’s too late :) The good news is, however, that regardless of what they do, the bulk of the functionality is in ’common’ standardized modules (and last, but not least, those same modules will be reusable in desktop apps).

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Everyone initially has a clear vision and a clear path, but competitors have this strange habit of making both the vision and the path very unclear, simply by competing. One single player cannot win every time all the time, that is how business work.

It is a shame the N900 and Maemo will be left in the dust, but soon we can install a series of beta MeeGo's on our N900s, purchase a N8 and use that as the phone while waiting for the next (first) Atom based NXXXX running MeeGo. There is some sense to it after all, but I think the competition simply made both the path and the vision a bit too cloudy even for Nokia to handle this time around.

I am starting to wonder if there even will be an ARM based MeeGo handset from Nokia, maybe they will skip it altogether and go directly to Intel based devices. Time will show.