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tso 2010-07-09 16:23

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
ugh, meego is a ****up of epic proportions.

1. the netbook edition is moblin with a new theme, and overly customized towards intel atom.

2. their handset version initial release is not available on any hardware generally available from day one.

3. intel is also working on a android for x86.

i fear nokia will be left with the bill on this one once the android on x86 takes hold (cisco seems to be planing its use for their new product, and there is also android tv from google).

wmarone 2010-07-09 16:32

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 746221)
1. the netbook edition is moblin with a new theme, and overly customized towards intel atom.

And? Intel is contributing the software, Intel is doing the development. If you want it on other platforms, someone has to put up the effort. If you want a different interface, someone has to write it.

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2. their handset version initial release is not available on any hardware generally available from day one.
The handset release works on the N900. Not 100%, but it runs.

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3. intel is also working on a android for x86.
Intel is a chip company, anything that runs well on their chips is a potential source of revenue.

Please think, maybe then you won't panic.

tso 2010-07-09 18:12

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
panic? what panic? I'm just wondering where the heck nokia is in this meego thing, as so far they seems to have been sidelined except as owner of trolltech and therefor Qt.

and that handset works on N900 is as expected, but why oh why was the images available for flashing on day one aimed at a hardware platform and device that was not generally available to third party devs? Thanks to that, aava and x86 is stealing all of nokia and arm's thunder. Where is the partnership?

so far everything meego seems to be primarily focused on x86, with arm being a redheaded step-child best not talked about.

and this, combined with the experience nokia have from doing maemo makes me really wonder what nokia gets out of this meego partnership.

the whole thing starts to look like some kind of "look, we are doing open source" song and dance.

mikecomputing 2010-07-09 18:31

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by bzbnd (Post 745414)
maemo5 is more beautiful ithink

Agree fully if this is "nextgen Maemo" its a BIG miustake from nokia!!!

They should use UI from Maemo5 and impromve it in MeeGo not invent android/Iphone copy :-(

radiowc 2010-07-09 18:53

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
Meego need to have a very different UI. ... why copy or reused others UI that already exists in the market, then it is not new. I love this Meego concepts... but please not the same old UI such as like looks like iphone, Htc. etc.

Should opened up an open competition for everyone to design new meego UI. the let users decides what they want. This will definitely give new ideas.

etuoyo 2010-07-09 19:08

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
Does this mean we are not going to get desktops and widgets? That would be a huge fail I think. This looks quite boring. Extremely boring actually. And it doesn't even look eye candy if that is what they were going for. Iphone interface looks a million times nicer.

I think after this I have lost total interest in meego for handsets. Meego for tablets looks amazing though. Any chance someone will release a device with a screen of around 4 inches that has the tablet interface rather than this boring mobile interface? I would definitely go for that. Have already decided I will definitely get a meego tablet (if someone releases a good tablet).

afaq 2010-07-09 19:22

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
Some fair points raised. Those who dont like the meego UX as it stands should stick with Maemo 5. The N900 will be around for a while so no one has to rush to Meego. Take your time - feel the market and enhancements and then invest in a new device/OS.

taril 2010-07-09 19:31

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
this is a wont release device.

wmarone 2010-07-10 16:38

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 746324)
panic? what panic? I'm just wondering where the heck nokia is in this meego thing, as so far they seems to have been sidelined except as owner of trolltech and therefor Qt.

Probably creating their own front-end and merging it with the Maemo core to create MeeGo-Harmattan. Remember, the handset UI we see is not necessarily what the vendors who use MeeGo will provide.

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and that handset works on N900 is as expected, but why oh why was the images available for flashing on day one aimed at a hardware platform and device that was not generally available to third party devs? Thanks to that, aava and x86 is stealing all of nokia and arm's thunder. Where is the partnership?
The handset image for the N900 was not complete. Before the day was out you could build an N900 image though, if a bit incomplete.

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so far everything meego seems to be primarily focused on x86, with arm being a redheaded step-child best not talked about.
That's because Intel is doing development for Intel. If people want ARM, someone has to do the work. Right now it seems to mostly be a smaller team from Nokia. Intel won't, however, because it's not their problem.

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and this, combined with the experience nokia have from doing maemo makes me really wonder what nokia gets out of this meego partnership.
Lower costs in terms of OS maintenance. They should be able to focus more on the end-user experience than assembling an OS.

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the whole thing starts to look like some kind of "look, we are doing open source" song and dance.
As if "doing open source" were a bad song and dance. MeeGo lets them offer a level of openness that Maemo was never allowed to achieve.

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 746328)
what's stopping nokia from going x86?

Power consumption. Intel is nowhere near where they need to be.

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Originally Posted by radiowc (Post 746359)
Meego need to have a very different UI. ... why copy or reused others UI that already exists in the market, then it is not new. I love this Meego concepts... but please not the same old UI such as like looks like iphone, Htc. etc.

I've mentioned it elsewhere that when you're coming late to a market you will be trying to pull customers away from your competitors. The UI we see is banking on end-user familiarity with the layout, instead of plunging them into the unfamiliar.

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Should opened up an open competition for everyone to design new meego UI. the let users decides what they want. This will definitely give new ideas.
Nothing is stopping you from doing this now. You may not find your UI ideas on a handset, but you could certainly make it available to everyone else. And who knows, if someone does like it enough, they might adopt it for theirs.

ysss 2010-07-10 16:42

Re: More Pics Of Aava Running MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 747369)
Power consumption. Intel is nowhere near where they need to be.

Precisely.

And that's 'just' a single technical parameter that's quite rapidly being 'addressed' in a few ways.

Nokia is not bound to just ARM based devices...


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