Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

SUN execs including co-founder Andy Bechtolsheim were some of the earliest investors in Google (before Google had been incorporated) and Eric Schmidt (who led Java development at SUN) went on to become CEO for Google. The relationship between SUN and Google has always been very cosy, and it's a great shame Google didn't buy SUN (perhaps they wished they had now).

Oracle don't have that kind of relationship with Google, instead the Oracle CEO is best buddy of the Apple CEO. It's all rather incestuous!

If true, how long does it take to negotiate a licence that is available to every Tom, Dick and Harry company on the planet? If Google couldn't come to an agreement over a Java licence with SUN then Google only have themselves to blame - everyone knew SUN were up for sale months before Oracle finally inked the deal.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Just can't parse that article at all. Pure FUD in my opinion. Full of unrelated conjucture without any explanation for why this case would have causality to any of the things mentioned like Openoffice.


What's wrong with hiring excellent patent attorneys for a patent fight. Bring effing big knifes to a knive fight.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Hm...if I'm to understand what this article explains, SCOracle may not have much of a case to win, though:
http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

[posted this already in another thread]

There is an interesting article about the Java licensing issues between Sun (now Oracle) and Google:

"Initial Thoughts on Oracle vs Google Patent Lawsuit" Miguel de Icaza's at:

http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Aug-13.html

Gives some background on what has been going on behind the scenes.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Oracle go **** themsels this hasnt happen if Sun still existed.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

The article is clearly pointing out Oracle's history and possible posturing. FUD appears to be what is being lobbed toward Android with this lawsuit itself. You're right, though, it does seem you're unable to parse it.

What's wrong with hiring excellent patent attorneys for a patent fight. Bring effing big knifes to a knive fight.[/QUOTE]

Nothing. It's just an interesting choice for a very similar sounding case to SCO's.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

He's also insane if he thinks .NET/C# is the answer, considering how similar the license situation with that is.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Well, you mentioned in your earllier post Apple using using GSM tech without licensing it. Nokia negotiated- and this is verifiable from publicly availeable court documents- with Apple for over two years before suing Apple, and GSM licenses are under FRAND .

Taking Apple/Nokia/Oracle/Googel/etc level corporation to court is extremly expensive and both time and resource consuming. Granted I don't have any insider infromation and you could be right. I just wouln'dt shrug off Sun negoating with Google for few years before suing as unlikely.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Good point, well made. :)

However even if they couldn't come to an agreement together, irrespective of who is to blame, it still wouldn't explain breach of copyright - that's just dumb. Infringing patents is one thing, but to literally copy code and hope to get away with it?

Presumably Oracle have seen the source code/documentation in Android to know that it has been copied, and despite the comparisons with SCO (who produced no evidence to back up their flimsy arguments) I would be surprised if Oracle are unable to produce the evidence to support their argument.

In fact the copyright claims pertain to (amongst other things) the use of copyrighted Java code/binaries that are required to build Android applications - if the court were to find in favour of Oracle this aspect of the case could harm Android unless Google rapidly finds a non-Java solution for building Android binaries.

Re: Oracle sues Google over Java patent infringement in Android
 

Ahem. Patent lawsuit and copyright.

Also, Dalvik uses Dalvik tokenized code--it doesn't produce Java tokenized code. You WRITE your source in Java, but the Android system runs Dalvik compiled code. So, not quite right.
Read the details I'd posted earlier.

I'd like to know how this stands after the whole recent Bilski decision.