Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

It would have been worth noting, if it was true. Since this openness claim has nothing to do with reality, it is not worth noting at all.

No. The firmware is close because Nokia chose that it be close. There is no law requiring it to be close.

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

You realise that GSM contains many patented technologies?

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

there is one major reason for gsm part being closed: operators

just think about a device which has its gsm modem functionality compiled a tad wrong causing a havoc at least to the cell tower it is connected to. fixing such things costs pretty much. One estimate was when someone tampered with finnish towers and did something small. cost for operator per tower: 200 000+ eur. and if I remember right, there were 2 operators involved so you can double the figure....

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

As far as I ḱnow Adobe Flash and SGX driver from Texas Instrument is not open sourced.

I dont know about the wifi/bt driver but maybe those driver is not open sourced.

So stop blame Nokia for everything! This is how bussiness work we will NEVER see fully open sourced drivers and so on. Not even Meego Hardware will have fully open sourced drivers etc...

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

Right. Its one thing to give people free hands to mess with their devices, and another to give them free hands to mess it for everybody else.

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

Do you realise that using patents as a reason for closeness is the dumbest argument that can be made?

Unless, of course, the claim is that Nokia try to hide which patents they use from the patent owners.

If you don't know, why do you feel such a strong urge to participate in this thread? What is the relevance of drivers to this thread?

Phone application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Contacts application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

SMS application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Network management system is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

cherry trojan is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Map application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Etc. etc. etc.

I hope you know more now.

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

Patents don't prevent open source. They can be licensed on open source principles or for profit. It is more a matter of what the owner wants to do.

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

Actually MeeGo for netbooks is fully open source. And this is a PITA. There are only some netbooks that uses HW where all drivers are available in open source form. Most drivers are available and is freely redistributable, but contain blobs. MeeGos policy is to only redistribute drivers that are fully source code open source. This doesn't even make sense, because the blobs are often low level firmware that need to be in binary form no matter what. The only alternative is to redesign the HW to contain the blobs in ROM.

How will this be with MeeGo for the N900 ? I wonder, surely there has to be lots of blobs in there. I guess Nokia can redistribute it, but not MeeGo?

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

:confused: Assuming we're not suddenly discussing flavored condoms, I have no clue what "cherry trojan" meant, and Google returns little of relevance.

Enlightenment, please?

Re: Linux is Open Source, Is it Possible for Maemo 5 to be Open Source too?
 

I was wondering that too. Thanks for saving me a google search or two ;-)