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fatalsaint 2010-10-19 14:24
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by vickyg (Post 845000)
"mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make"

Where are the commands to install the build files to a HTC Hero, Motorolo Milestone or some other xxx xxx?
I'm sorry... You were saying?

I agree that Maemo is (was?) limited by the binary blobs but MeeGo is not - the closed parts for the N900 needed by MeeGo are now redistributable. MeeGo is much like android in that regard, an open OS but closed parts for hardware. It should be quite easily possible to "cook" MeeGo flashes for devices just as Android.

Hell.. people already have it booting on a Nexus One.

benny1967 2010-10-19 14:29
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by mohannad (Post 845012)
Did he just compare a $50 phone to a smartphone?!! AND he is labeling Nokia as the "$50 handsets" manufacturer! This guy needs to get shot!
well, his interpretation of smartphone is limited to what the iphone does.

ysss 2010-10-19 14:40
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
Try reading just Jobs' quotes and ignore the writer's mistaken remarks.

@mohannad: he's saying they want to stick to making smartphones, and they can't sell those for $50.

richwhite 2010-10-19 14:45
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 845070)
Try reading just Jobs' quotes and ignore the writer's mistaken remarks.
Read the whole article and nothing really seems mistaken.

ysss 2010-10-19 15:12
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 845075)
Read the whole article and nothing really seems mistaken.
Where does it specifically mention open and closed source, other than the author's interpretation of Jobs' vague remark?

Snoshrk 2010-10-19 15:15
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Why is it that whenever Jobs talks, I hear the "...lack of faith disturbing." - D Vader quote, as well as Vader's Theme music?


Hmmm.... Darth Jobs...... Steve Vader.....:eek:


.....why can't I catch my breath?.... gasp....gasp.....thud.....

richwhite 2010-10-19 15:19
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 845097)
Where does it specifically mention open and closed source, other than the author's interpretation of Jobs' vague remark?
Specifically? Right here:

"Google loves to characterize Android as open, and iOS and iPhone as closed," Jobs said. "We find this a bit disingenuous and clouding the differences between our two approaches."

Lullen 2010-10-19 15:21
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 844991)
While Jobs isn't wrong at all about Android, there is a vast difference between open/closed and fragmented/integrated. I fully agree that integrated is generally better because the manufacturer can tailor the software to the hardware, rather than vice versa, but that has no impact on its openness. Maemo isn't fragmented because it's Nokia specific, but it's still open
Is there any way that could make meego not ending up fragmented or will it have the same problems as android as there is no solution to it?

ysss 2010-10-19 15:24
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 845104)
Specifically? Right here:

"Google loves to characterize Android as open, and iOS and iPhone as closed," Jobs said. "We find this a bit disingenuous and clouding the differences between our two approaches."
Can't be too subtle can I?
Where does it specifically say open and closed source?
Is there only 1 interpretation to the terms 'open' vs 'closed' in the context of platforms?

Even google (forgot whom) alluded to themselves as 'more open than ios', without any specifics.

Descalzo 2010-10-19 15:26
Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 
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Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 844991)
While Jobs isn't wrong at all about Android, there is a vast difference between open/closed and fragmented/integrated. I fully agree that integrated is generally better because the manufacturer can tailor the software to the hardware, rather than vice versa, but that has no impact on its openness. Maemo isn't fragmented because it's Nokia specific, but it's still open
The thread title should read, "Steve Jobs Dodges Open/Closed Question to Talk About Fragtmentation."


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