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danramos 2010-10-25 17:18

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 850535)
Well, feel free to code up a bittorrent based version of APT ;)

Well, GOOD NEWS! It's already been done. :rolleyes:
http://sianka.free.fr/

slender 2010-10-25 18:18

Re: Server outages
 
Why on earth you people do not have proper way to communcate on server issues.

I have tried to follow updates from official source about TMO sitsuation:
http://maemo.org/news/
http://maemo.org/
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/

And total silence. Why?

Itīs nice that reggie is updating his twitter account (found it after i was able to read this thread :|) but oh boy :| Where is official maemo.org twitter account or facebook account etc. Shouldnīt council at least be interested in these kinds of matter?

NvyUs 2010-10-25 18:25

Re: Server outages
 
get ready for another outage, every time its approached 2400 viewers today its gone down

danramos 2010-10-25 18:54

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 850579)
Why on earth you people do not have proper way to communcate on server issues.

I have tried to follow updates from official source about TMO sitsuation:
http://maemo.org/news/
http://maemo.org/
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/

And total silence. Why?

Itīs nice that reggie is updating his twitter account (found it after i was able to read this thread :|) but oh boy :| Where is official maemo.org twitter account or facebook account etc. Shouldnīt council at least be interested in these kinds of matter?

What do you mean by "you people?" :)

All kidding aside, I entirely agree. I still stand by my earlier suggestion to just do the smartest thing and use a bittorent method of upgrades and/or apt. It would absolutely cut down on all the unnecessary waste of bandwidth and server resources for Maemo/Nokia/whatever.

storkus 2010-10-25 19:41

Re: Server outages
 
Funny (or not) thing is that TMO goes down for me all the time. Even before today I'll be reading and it will go down for hours. Now I don't know where the servers are and I'm in Phoenix usually accessing it from work during swing shift, so maybe Reggie is just asleep when it happens and can't fix it until morning, but it definitely happens way more than just today (when it is entirely justified--/. effect).

danramos 2010-10-25 19:46

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by storkus (Post 850639)
Funny (or not) thing is that TMO goes down for me all the time. Even before today I'll be reading and it will go down for hours. Now I don't know where the servers are and I'm in Phoenix usually accessing it from work during swing shift, so maybe Reggie is just asleep when it happens and can't fix it until morning, but it definitely happens way more than just today (when it is entirely justified--/. effect).

Actually, I've noticed that too. Usually seems to happen around 5-6am Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

Reggie 2010-10-25 20:28

Re: Server outages
 
Daily backup happens at 1AM (EDT) for about an hour or so, so during that time, you might not be able to access the server.

slender 2010-10-25 20:30

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 850613)
What do you mean by "you people?" :)

All kidding aside, I entirely agree. I still stand by my earlier suggestion to just do the smartest thing and use a bittorent method of upgrades and/or apt. It would absolutely cut down on all the unnecessary waste of bandwidth and server resources for Maemo/Nokia/whatever.

By you people I mean all gnomes and goblins behind maemo.org servers. I do not know what kind of reporting policy or workflow these people have for reporting problems but I have to say that the time what I have been here it sometimes feel totally fragmented. Sometimes someone will update something to some page somewhere (here in maemo.org) or actually in internet.

Maybe I should start lurking maemo irc channel but IMO thatīs just not so obvious way of reaching all people in todays web 2.0.

And about technology behind updates and server. I have seen some forums that change to text only mode when load getīs too high. That probably is not rocket science either.

danramos 2010-10-25 20:34

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 850693)
Daily backup happens at 1AM (EDT) for about an hour or so, so during that time, you might not be able to access the server.

Old-school backup system where you have to take down the service for a while? I thought everyone did backups on the fly these days (i.e. RAID, Tivoli, etc.). More curious than anything, old-school backup system is a pain but I'm sure it's cheaper, too.

nidO 2010-10-25 21:22

Re: Server outages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 850613)
All kidding aside, I entirely agree. I still stand by my earlier suggestion to just do the smartest thing and use a bittorent method of upgrades and/or apt. It would absolutely cut down on all the unnecessary waste of bandwidth and server resources for Maemo/Nokia/whatever.

I'm not fully sure what you imagine this alternative implementation of delivering updates would achieve.
You should be aware that the update repos are delivered via Akamai and have essentially unlimited resources in terms of Nokia's needs to push maemo updates, TMO however is hosted by a single server, entirely separate from Akamai. The reason TMO goes down is not because "zomg so many people are downloading teh updatez" as they come from a totally different source, it goes down simply because on update days there are THOUSANDS of concurrent visitors looking at the forum.
Changing the method of delivering updates doesnt in any way whatsoever affect the ability of the forum to cope with the number of people looking at the forum on the day a patch happens.


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