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Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

Well... think of it this way.

Should Microsoft put out an Android phone?

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

The difference is, Microsoft won't ever need to, they're too big. And anyway, how would that work: a Samsung phone with Android, on AT&T, er, where do Microsoft come in?

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

Nokia wants to get into services. Google delivers services. That's the conflict.

I don't want Android because it's wholly divergent from the entirety of the rest of the open source ecosystem that has grown up around Linux the last 20 years, and changes to Android don't help to improve anything that exists except Android (that and Android is developed entirely behind closed doors between releases.)

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

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Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 933821)

The difference is, Microsoft won't ever need to, they're too big. And anyway, how would that work: a Samsung phone with Android, on AT&T, er, where do Microsoft come in?

Samsung really didn't have their OS in place - Bada - before they went Android or WP7.

Nokia has two OS's... neither of which we've seen the best of nor end of.

Microsoft has the ability to create their own OS.

No need for Nokia nor Microsoft to buy into another OS. They have options.

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Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 933821)

The difference is, Microsoft won't ever need to, they're too big. And anyway, how would that work: a Samsung phone with Android, on AT&T, er, where do Microsoft come in?

Nokia is way bigger if we are talking about phones :)

Android is getting popular but that doesn't mean everyone should use it. Competition among manufacturers is getting tough , HTC, SE , Samsung, LG , Motorola etc . If Nokia makes Android they will compete against a lot of companies for the same platform. with Meego its a different story they will compete against entire platform.

Think of it in terms of pies (mmm yummy ) We have a smartphone market currently dominated by iOS , Android , Blackberry and catastrophically fast lowering Symbian

If they make Android they will just take a small portion of a slice inside a big pie

but if they make MeeGo successful they can have their own slice or even two :D

damn I'm hungry:rolleyes:

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

can u imagine nokia competing with LG hardware wise and price wise?

it will become a match whoever produces the cheapest crap.

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

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Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 933780)

2011 will be quite a defining year for Nokia in this smartphone market. Android is ubiquitous, on your friends' phones, advertised on TV, subways, bus stops etc. Money talks and ***** walks. If Nokia can't pull a rabbit out of the hat this year (a rabbit wearing a Meego bowtie?), I can only expect their smartphones sales to continue to dwindle, while everyone and his wife buys iPhone 5 and Android phones. Nokia will rank nowhere near 1st and will have to settle with the releasing the kind of phones your parents think are cool.

I understand the problems Nokia would face releasing an Android powered device, and I for one would not rush down the street to buy one, but if it's easy money for them, surely as a business strategy, should they completely ignore it as an option?

Nokias smartphone sales is increasing. The rate of change is only surpassed by Android devices, but Android has to be devided between 20+ manufacturers. Nokias big problem with the N8 is to supply the demand, they cannot produce enough.

I am sure Nokia has done analysis that tells then rather clearly that going Android is not an option in the long run. If that analysis did show the opposite result, Nokia would already be selling Android devices.

On the other hand, I don't see anything preventing Nokia from installing a Dalvik VM on Symbian or any other platform for that matter. I mean why not? RIM is supposedly doing it.

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

The main issue (fallacy?) here is to assume that if Nokia comes out with their own platform/OS/services then they'll be guaranteed success... And that it doesn't come with additional RISKS AND COSTS that are considerably higher than if you're renting them out from the likes of Google.

Of course with the greater risks and cost, there's a potential of higher reward and we've also seen that Nokia have made some of the investments (OS developments, alliance with intel).

But the downside is that Nokia has some terrible track record when it comes to launching their own software & services: ovi store, ovi mail, maemo apps, ngage, etc.

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

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Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 933726)

So here's the question: knowing that Android is doing so well out there, what is so wrong with having maybe just one, top-end Nokia handset released with Android?

the fact that you don't really have a clue about mobile industry at all...

this has been said for million times but:
margins. being dumb hw manufacturer just doesn't work, ZTE will do about similar hardware with 1/10th of the price...

e: and why releasing one handset with android? if people talk about fragmentation in android platform generally, what kind of fragmentation would it be with nokia if they had 5 oses (3 x symbian, meego + android)?

Re: What's so bad about Nokia + Android anyway?

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 933860)

Nokia's market share has always grown/kept up with the market up until the last 2 years or so. In 2010 it's gotten the biggest blow doe to Android, and that is a very significant milestone.

That is to say that if Nokia could maintain its past growth performance, it should've sold 44 millions smartphones in 2010. Where in actuality they sell 31M, losing the rest to Android.
Of course this isn't a complete picture, because we've yet to analyze the impact of the growth of smartphone to other closely related segments (feature phones, netbooks, tablets, etc).

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I am sure Nokia has done analysis that tells then rather clearly that going Android is not an option in the long run. If that analysis did show the opposite result, Nokia would already be selling Android devices.

In business, it's rarely that clear. Generally the biggest reward comes with the highest risk. I can't imagine the impact to Nokia as a whole if MeeGo/Symbian + Ovi Store fails as their captive market continues to shrink and their profit margin gets thinner and thinner.

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On the other hand, I don't see anything preventing Nokia from installing a Dalvik VM on Symbian or any other platform for that matter. I mean why not? RIM is supposedly doing it.

Yep, this should be a good move if legally possible.