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tzsm98 2011-02-06 01:21
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by Radu (Post 937114)
But the pic of the Intel guy holding something that looks like it is new, yes?
No. Several days old. (31 January 2011) The article that goes with the image mentions "Intel Corp. at its sales conference last week ..." pushing this back to the 24 January - 28 January time frame.

javispedro 2011-02-06 01:25
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 937119)
The entire SoC line of Atoms is based around using the PowerVR core, which has never supported full OpenGL. Not to mention that OpenGL 4 will be compatible with OpenGL ES, so it's a moot issue.
The PVR, like virtually any other gfx chip, supports whatever the driver is up to. And the driver Intel got supports up even DX10 (and ofcourse OpenGL2).

Radu 2011-02-06 02:01
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by tzsm98 (Post 937122)
No. Several days old. (31 January 2011) The article that goes with the image mentions "Intel Corp. at its sales conference last week ..." pushing this back to the 24 January - 28 January time frame.
So for you new means last few minutes? Was it mentioned before here?

NvyUs 2011-02-06 02:10
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by Radu (Post 937138)
So for you new means last few minutes? Was it mentioned before here?
yes by some one with no source

Radu 2011-02-06 02:36
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 937119)
The entire SoC line of Atoms is based around using the PowerVR core, which has never supported full OpenGL. Not to mention that OpenGL 4 will be compatible with OpenGL ES, so it's a moot issue.
It's not a moot issue at all. A lot of applications use Open GL 1.4 or 2.0, so they won't work if the only OpenGL context provided is 4.0, as they are not backwards compatible.

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Having Intel as a supplier and a well known architecture.
ARM is pretty well known in the embedded space, since the vast majority of embedded devices use ARM. And having one supplier instead of multiple ones is not a good thing.

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If the power efficiency gains in Medfield are accurate, ARM may be given stiff competition. And MeeGo is a "real" OS. It's not Windows, but it's still a real OS.
I seriously doubt we will see a battery life comparable with a N900 if an Atom SoC is used.

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You can't exactly load XP on a Medfield system and have it just work, many of these systems are dropping legacy functionality that older, closed OSes don't support at all. You can still use Wine, though ;)
So long as we can use 'vanilla' Linux, such as Fedora or Ubuntu then it would be nice. Then we can use virtualization (or even wine) to run Win stuff. But I don't consider Meego a "real" OS, it is developed for embedded devices not for desktop. When I think of an OS I think of the applications ecosystem as well, not just the kernel and GNU stuff. Can it run Skype, Flash, Opera, and other closed source applications without specific support from those application developers?

wmarone 2011-02-06 03:16
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by Radu (Post 937147)
It's not a moot issue at all. A lot of applications use Open GL 1.4 or 2.0, so they won't work if the only OpenGL context provided is 4.0, as they are not backwards compatible.
This looks like an issue to take up with the application developer.

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ARM is pretty well known in the embedded space, since the vast majority of embedded devices use ARM. And having one supplier instead of multiple ones is not a good thing.
If you select OMAP your only supplier is TI. Same for any other ARM SoC.

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So long as we can use 'vanilla' Linux, such as Fedora or Ubuntu then it would be nice. Then we can use virtualization (or even wine) to run Win stuff. But I don't consider Meego a "real" OS, it is developed for embedded devices not for desktop.
MeeGo is quite the real OS. It's been designed to use all of the same libraries that are used in Fedora and Ubuntu. No "bionic" or "uClibc" or custom, used-nowhere-else widget toolkits and GUI subsystems. The only thing "designed" about it are the reference user interfaces.

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When I think of an OS I think of the applications ecosystem as well, not just the kernel and GNU stuff. Can it run Skype, Flash, Opera, and other closed source applications without specific support from those application developers?
Well, on x86 with Linux, the answer is generally yes. But then, since they're closed source you're stuck depending on their support regardless of the OS you use.

Creamy Goodness 2011-02-06 03:28
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
blah blah blah. that pic was leaked on my thread first, its not useful to link to a site that links to a site that coped from here. sorry but the post that contained the pic was deleted so i cant show u. but plenty of news sites still link back here that broke that ******** story. hope that tells you something. this happened at least a week ago. OLD NEWS.

Creamy Goodness 2011-02-06 03:33
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
oh, and
1. we dont KNOW what an n9 will have. stupid news sites guessing what is what are just confusing people.
2. everyone sane expects it to have an intel cpu anyways, don't act so surprised
3. nobody cares about anyone else's opinion about cpu quality or technology and its all been said , so if you are not willing to verify all the facts and present some actual NEW info, please don't post anything in a NEW thread

sorry but when you posted your thread, did it not say HEY HERE IS SOME SIMILAR THREDS, MAYBE YOU DONT NEED A NEW TOPIC? maybe that is not working because the stupid search can't find 'n9' due to it being 2 letters and too short. just asking. administrators might like to know...

Radu 2011-02-06 03:46
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 937158)
This looks like an issue to take up with the application developer.
LOL, are you even serious? You think big companies (some of which are even not in business anymore) will take their time to port their software to OpenGL 4 just so that people using a N9 can use it?

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If you select OMAP your only supplier is TI. Same for any other ARM SoC.
All ARM CPUs will have many common things, such as the instruction set. Sure, they have different GPUs and other units, which require special code. But for X86 CPUs you have much fewer options (Intel, AMD and Via), and you need special code for their auxiliary units too.

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MeeGo is quite the real OS. It's been designed to use all of the same libraries that are used in Fedora and Ubuntu. No "bionic" or "uClibc" or custom, used-nowhere-else widget toolkits and GUI subsystems. The only thing "designed" about it are the reference user interfaces.
Will Mesa work with the new chip?

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Well, on x86 with Linux, the answer is generally yes. But then, since they're closed source you're stuck depending on their support regardless of the OS you use.
Not true. Most of the closed source programs designed to run on Linux will generally run on any Linux distro. The binaries are mostly compatible between distros. Will they run on Meego too?

Radu 2011-02-06 03:49
Re: N9 with an Atom CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 937165)
oh, and
sorry but when you posted your thread, did it not say HEY HERE IS SOME SIMILAR THREDS, MAYBE YOU DONT NEED A NEW TOPIC?
Maybe you should have followed your own advice when you recently started this thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68743
It's not like there were no other N9 threads before yours.


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