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dylanemcgregor 2011-02-13 21:55
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
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Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 945396)
I read somewhere recently that Nokia had 10 guys working on meego...Elop could have hired 10 x the developers...
It is called Brooks Law

jsa 2011-02-13 21:58
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 945390)
MeeGo was going to be late, regardless. Folks are too unwilling to admit that.

So instead, spread anger about WP7 - which, is easier to do since it's not full-featured as of yet nor is it a successful seller at the moment either.

Pick the easiest to do, run with that. That's what is happening on these boards. Easier to blame Elop than face the fact that nothing is shown a ****ing year later after the initial MeeGo announcement that can be purchased rather soon.
For me the biggest insanity in this isn't about WP7 being bad, or some ideological openness question. It's the seemingly disproportionate ratio between what Nokia is giving up (past, present and future) and what they are gaining.

ericsson 2011-02-13 22:00
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
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Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 945396)
I read somewhere recently that Nokia had 10 guys working on meego...Elop could have hired 10 x the developers....sounds more like a msft flunky is invading it's competition and then letting it die.

Anyone who can't put 2 and 2 on this one must have fallen off the fruit truck comming into town.
We will never know what really has happened until someone deep inside Nokia start writing about it. This will probably happen sooner than later when people start to leave Nokia.

But one thing is for sure, what went wrong happened several years ago. Elop and MS is just the end of it.

pxa270 2011-02-13 22:04
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
As I stated in my opening post, I don't believe WP7 is actually an improvement on the previous path.

All I wanted to say is, on these boards it's tempting to blame Elop/WP7/Microsoft/Nokia management for the failure of the project. But maybe the prosaic truth is simply that MeeGo failed because developers couldn't get something good enough finished quickly enough.

cBeam 2011-02-13 22:04
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 945414)
But one thing is for sure, what went wrong happened several years ago. Elop and MS is just the end of it.
You're probably right. But this also means that Elop is a weak leader.

Steve Jobs did not sell off Apple. He re-innovated.

nocain 2011-02-13 22:08
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
So meego can be considered too late but a beta version of WP7 that just came out in November is not huh? Really the last update of WP7 just released a week ago added what should have been in at launch, a bunch of crap is still missing from it to be added in the next update and the development sdk is still missing a bunch of core API things to come later in the year

Sopwith 2011-02-13 22:12
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 945390)
MeeGo was going to be late, regardless. Folks are too unwilling to admit that...
I really don't know, gerbick, and you may be right. But with scraping it like this we will NEVER know.

I feel no need to become an apologist for Nokia's management. I thought things were messy when Meego was announced a year ago, but there is no match to the mess we're going to see the two years to come. What with WP7 completely undercooked (no multitasking, no copy/paste), and at the same time need to write all hardware drivers to put it on Nokia's devices. Will WP7 run well on the low range phones that currently use Symbian?

As I said, I am no expert at all, but my gut feeling tells me Nokia's problems aren't just going to go away with a new OS.

mikecomputing 2011-02-13 22:14
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 945390)
MeeGo was going to be late, regardless. Folks are too unwilling to admit that.

So instead, spread anger about WP7 - which, is easier to do since it's not full-featured as of yet nor is it a successful seller at the moment either.

Pick the easiest to do, run with that. That's what is happening on these boards. Easier to blame Elop than face the fact that nothing is shown a ****ing year later after the initial MeeGo announcement that can be purchased rather soon.

Well some is maybe because of this :-(

http://thenokiablog.com/2011/02/12/m...vice-rejected/

mikecomputing 2011-02-13 22:16
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 945414)
We will never know what really has happened until someone deep inside Nokia start writing about it. This will probably happen sooner than later when people start to leave Nokia.

But one thing is for sure, what went wrong happened several years ago. Elop and MS is just the end of it.
No its not the end of it. The problems will continue... The one who scares me most is what will happen to Qt :-(

gerbick 2011-02-13 22:18
Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 945396)
I read somewhere recently that Nokia had 10 guys working on meego...Elop could have hired 10 x the developers....sounds more like a msft flunky is invading it's competition and then letting it die.

Anyone who can't put 2 and 2 on this one must have fallen off the fruit truck comming into town.
I truly doubt it was 10 folks only working on MeeGo; however if that's the case, that was Nokia's pre-Elop decision.

If Elop didn't see the value in MeeGo, then that was the board's inability to convey that. They were supposed to show all aspects of their operations, including future iterations of OS's and how that would be advantageous to their next set of projects going forward.

That... somehow didn't happen.

So what happened? He talked about what he knew... a MS OS. And the board didn't fight against it well enough to stop it. We can all wonder why, but it's just what happened. Speculate on your own - there's tons of theories.

The MSFT flunky that invaded Nokia was invited by Nokia's board of directors.


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