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-   -   Where are all the MeeGo tablets? (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76254)

abill_uk 2011-09-04 07:13
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1081456)
Not yet, but anybody want to get the Dremel ready for MeeGo's headstone?

http://pleco.org/heh/MAEMO-RIP.jpg
Can someone tell me the difference between Maemo and Meego? and no i am not on about basic structure. :rolleyes:

danramos 2011-09-04 07:41
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1081529)
Can someone tell me the difference between Maemo and Meego? and no i am not on about basic structure. :rolleyes:
MeeGo uses rpm's instead of deb's, for package management, for one. MeeGo is based on QT rather than GTK+ like Maemo was (Harmattan being the abomination of the two and very bloated and confused as a result). MeeGo was SUPPOSED to be 100% open-source, then manufacturers were supposed to pretty much provide binary blobs on their devices to allow it to operate (drivers, app stores, etc.) whereas Maemo irrevocably held the open-source portions hostage to a massive closed-source architecture you wouldn't unweave back out of (not just drivers... media player, calendar, power system, etc.). I'm sure there's more--but that's the few bits I'm aware of... and then Harmattan is this in-between monstrosity that doesn't quite fit into either camp. It's like the ugly mongoloid bastard that nobody wanted while everyone was waiting for open-source MeeGo to actually come out on devices or at LEAST get supported.

momcilo 2011-09-04 08:06
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1081542)
MeeGo uses rpm's instead of deb's, for package management, for one. MeeGo is based on QT rather than GTK+ like Maemo was (Harmattan being the abomination of the two and very bloated and confused as a result). MeeGo was SUPPOSED to be 100% open-source, then manufacturers were supposed to pretty much provide binary blobs on their devices to allow it to operate (drivers, app stores, etc.) whereas Maemo irrevocably held the open-source portions hostage to a massive closed-source architecture you wouldn't unweave back out of (not just drivers... media player, calendar, power system, etc.). I'm sure there's more--but that's the few bits I'm aware of... and then Harmattan is this in-between monstrosity that doesn't quite fit into either camp. It's like the ugly mongoloid bastard that nobody wanted while everyone was waiting for open-source MeeGo to actually come out on devices or at LEAST get supported.
Meego is not open source, no matter what people say. 1% of binaries is enough.

Kangal 2011-09-04 08:25
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1081552)
Meego is not open source, no matter what people say. 1% of binaries is enough.
By that logic, neither is Android.
But it is more than open enough to be ported to/fro devices and show up on cheap chinese devices.

momcilo 2011-09-04 09:39
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1081571)
By that logic, neither is Android.
But it is more than open enough to be ported to/fro devices and show up on cheap chinese devices.
True, but I did not argue for the benefit of Android either.

I am sort of annoyed when something is advertised (I don't accuse danramos of that) as open source, when in fact it is not (all nokia devices).

danramos 2011-09-04 09:46
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1081571)
By that logic, neither is Android.
But it is more than open enough to be ported to/fro devices and show up on cheap chinese devices.
Google doesn't go out of their way to puffer on about Android being open-source the way Nokia did about Maemo and MeeGo, though. To their credit, they separated the closed-source from the open-source enough that you COULD make an ENTIRELY open-source operating system for a device with only a very, very small amount of closed-source for drivers and Dalvik. YouTube, Google Maps, etc. were all ripped away from the OS itself so that you could put in whatever you wanted and didn't end up actually REQUIRING those things to be in the OS for it to work... and you can EASILY replace them with open-source (or other closed-source) equivalents VERY easily. Insultingly easy compared to Maemo.

ericsson 2011-09-04 10:21
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1081614)
True, but I did not argue for the benefit of Android either.

I am sort of annoyed when something is advertised (I don't accuse danramos of that) as open source, when in fact it is not (all nokia devices).
To be honest. MeeGo for netbooks is a true PITA and the reason is that every little piece of driver has to be open source or the MeeGo team will not redistribute it. Someone else could of course build a distro based on pure MeeGo and included "closed" drivers, but why do that when there are millions of other good working distros out there that works independent of Intel?

For OEMs this doesn't matter, they can include whatever they need/want. Still, where is the ecosystem for these MeeGo systems? Is it just supposed to happen by itself in the cloud somewhere? Obviously this is a dead end. MeeGo need an ecosystem, not open sources.

mikecomputing 2011-09-04 10:55
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
please merge this thread with all other dupliicate threads....

tkatchev 2011-09-04 10:58
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Yes, it is open-source. It's just a standard, generic Linux distribution. Not very different from Ubuntu, for example.

All modern Linux distributions have closed-source binary drivers; video card drivers, at the very least.

Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1081552)
Meego is not open source, no matter what people say. 1% of binaries is enough.

danramos 2011-09-04 13:09
Re: Where are all the MeeGo tablets?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1081658)
Yes, it is open-source. It's just a standard, generic Linux distribution. Not very different from Ubuntu, for example.

All modern Linux distributions have closed-source binary drivers; video card drivers, at the very least.
Well, except that most other modern Linux distributions don't interweave their closed-source in such a way as to make it virtually impossible or incredibly difficult to remove the closed-source from parts of the OS that have nothing to do with the hardware (i.e. calendar app, multimedia, etc.). Maemo did.


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