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Bernard 2012-06-20 19:14

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
The announcement talks about the next generation of Qualcomm chips, that is with krait, and these are very fast and relatively expensive.
Will WP8 also run low-end hardware? Or will Nokia/Microsoft keep selling WP 7.5/7.8 devices on the low-end? If so than the Lumia 900 is far from obsolete. (and developers have an extra problem to worry about :) )

Kozzi 2012-06-20 19:15

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/wp...already-right/

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Microsoft today said that it plans to make Windows Phone 8 available to users who want to install it on their Windows Phone devices, even if their carrier and/or device manufacturer won’t officially support the update

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10653
- and also there is will be WP7.8 avalable for selected handsets.

specc 2012-06-20 19:30

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1224789)
so guess who's die 1st? L900 or N9?

That's a trick question actually. The N9 is already dead. They are removed from Nokias official line up in almost every West European country where they initially were sold. This happened approximately 6 months after the release.

The L900 is (and the L800 and L710, don't forget), - just a sad comedy. This is unbelievable.

Everyone knew the N9 was a one off. As for the Lumias, well this has been marketed as the new and shiny from MS/Nokia. I see lawsuits coming, big ones from retailers and operators. This will kill Nokia.

lorul2 2012-06-20 19:31

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
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Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1224792)
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/wp...already-right/


- and also there is will be WP7.8 avalable for selected handsets.

The last 3 "Flagships" From Nokia..N900, N9, Lumia 900 have the same history, everyone in this forum knows this to be true. Why would a new customer look at WP7.8 as a "compromise" when

Update: While Microsoft was keen to announce that 7.x apps will run on Windows Phone 8, ZDNet has just confirmed, via a statement from Redmond, that apps built for the new platform won't be backwards compatible:

"New applications compiled specifically for Windows Phone 8 will not be made available for Windows Phone 7.x devices."


There is no amount of spin you can put on this! If you bought a Lumia 900 you are stuck with a platform that no one will care about. Atleast the N9, and N 900 has this community; which may have a longer future.

gerbick 2012-06-20 19:34

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1224764)
Oh, who cares?

Well... you did peruse and respond.

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Anyone duped into getting one of those (even those that were effectively paid to do so) deserves exactly what they got.

Can we move this to off-topic please?
General, Off-Topic... I believe this truly belongs in Competitors.

Regardless... people getting all pissy about placement of such things is just such a trivial thing.

Funny... I stated once before that if people were duped into getting a N9 they deserve exactly what they got and I was duped twice...

Bernard 2012-06-20 19:39

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lorul2 (Post 1224811)
There is no amount of spin you can put on this! If you bought a Lumia 900 you are stuck with a platform that no one will care about. Atleast the N9, and N 900 has this community; which may have a longer future.

Depends if WP8 will be high-end only or more general. If Nokia/MS continue WP 7.x on the low-end, there probably will be more WP7 phones sold in 2013 than WP8 devices. But it is very sad to know that all the current Nokia flagship products (N9, Pureview 808, Lumia 900) run a software platform that will ultimately be abandoned sooner than competing phones with iOS and Android.

gerbick 2012-06-20 20:06

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 1224818)
Depends if WP8 will be high-end only or more general.

If they go for WP8 being only for high end, then they've created an area that would be bordering fragmentation (also bordering on stupid) of their platform. The same stuff that Apple and Microsoft are picking on Google about.

Just like the first gen phones got capped at WP7 7.1, it seems like the so-called "second gen", now billed at 1.5 gen phones like the Nokia Lumia 900 and even HTC Titan II are now limited to WP7 7.8 and will not get WP8.

The true second gen phones are not out yet, are coming out later in the year and the people with the "true Windows Phone 7 phone" (as stated by Elop) are left in the dark in regards to WP8 upgrades.

Simply stated, the people that were up in arms over the N9 only getting 6+ months of support from Nokia; well Nokia did it to the Lumia 900 folks too.

Karma or business per usual when dealing with Nokia.

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If Nokia/MS continue WP 7.x on the low-end, there probably will be more WP7 phones sold in 2013 than WP8 devices.
The numbers dropped for Symbian, which was billed as a deadend product. It will drop for WP7 devices since they've all become deadend devices as of today's announcement. No damage control can repair this announcement.

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But it is very sad to know that all the current Nokia flagship products (N9, Pureview 808, Lumia 900) run a software platform that will ultimately be abandoned sooner than competing phones with iOS and Android.
Agree 100%.

AndyNokia232 2012-06-20 20:19

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
Time to re-employ and reboot the Harmattan teams!!

(Oh if only)

Arie 2012-06-20 20:22

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
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Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1224842)
Time to re-employ and reboot the Harmattan teams!!

(Oh if only)

We wish... WP8 is still a let down.

Nothing exciting on it.

Bernard 2012-06-20 20:45

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1224833)
If they go for WP8 being only for high end, then they've created an area that would be bordering fragmentation (also bordering on stupid) of their platform. The same stuff that Apple and Microsoft are picking on Google about.

But it is very likely. If WP8 was capable of running on the next gen "low-end" hardware (say 1 GHz Cortex A8 kinda performance), it should be possible to bring WP8 to the current Lumia 800/900 phones. So that makes me suspect WP8 will require multi cores scorpion/A9/krait/A15 to run correctly, or other hardware upgrades (more RAM possibly or a bigger boot flash partition).
When will those type of chips be pushed to the low-end? End of 2013? 2014? And what should developers do until then? Target the select group of WP8 customers, or use only WP7 features?
I'm very curious how this turns out.

In any case the low-end android phones also have big problems. I think the sub 200 euro android-hardware is really bad, and they also have no upgrade path. Compared to those phones the Lumia 610 looks wonderful and the software is smooth. A great choice imo, even without software upgrades.


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