Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

That is not how I see it. You can switch the light from "anywhere" as long as it is at the switchbox. There is a beauty and comfort in knowing that to control the lights in the bedroom, I have to physically be in that bedroom. There is nothing more annoying than not knowing when the light may go on or off because someone else may be operating the switchbox. There is nothing more annoying than having to open another application just to change something in the application I am already in. (Not to mention that I may already have Settings open for a different purpose. Now you are forcing me to lose my position in it to go somewhere else because of a completely unrelated application.)

The Settings application is a good place for global (e.g. UI or OS) settings that have no better place. Application settings have such a better place. Unfortunately, like with many other things, a "last resort dump for something we have no found a better place for" has through some misguided twist turned into a glorified central place where everything should go. Amazing how much you can get away with by calling it "modern".

No, no, a thousand times NO!!!

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

Agreed. Also, worst case is when there is many possible locations for option for an app. So when you are using an app X and think if setting Y could be changed, you try to find the setting from the app first, and if you don't find it, you'll have to open the settings app and see if the setting could be changed from there. I think this is an actual problem with some Jolla apps like People. Some settings can be changed from the app itself, but some are accessed from the Settings app. And this sucks alot.

I bet Jolla primarily created the App Settings menu under Settings app in early stage of the system. They wanted to avoid putting any Android style setting button to apps, but also they didn't have any other way. Later they invented pulley menus, but didn't want to put the settings there because App Settings was already created.

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

Sorry to keep banging about this. Another thing is, I don't know about nthn but I see application's settings a part of the application's data. There are two related aspects.

One, application data should be sandboxed. No one other than the application itself should have access to it.

Two, if we share some part of the application data and let another application manipulate it, where does it end? Why not have one central application for all other parts of all applications' data? How convenient would it be to edit received messages, playlists and game scores from Settings as well?

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

Completely unrelated but having the same "feel" is this modern fad in all linux distros (including SFOS) of having systemd orchestrate the device.
I am beginning to get annoyed by it... Where the hell did people decide that sysvinit was not good for them, having faithfully served the world for almost half a century?
Just asking, I am... :confused:

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

The only real problem with systemd is that it hasn't been integrated into the kernel yet.

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

god forbid me seeing that day

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

Why, though? Which problems do you see with systemd that can't be applied in the exact same way to the Linux kernel as well?

Some replies in advance:

It's monolithic -> Linux, but also, it isn't really
It's against the UNIX philosophy -> no, it isn't, and also -> Linux
It's against choice -> GNU/Linux is not about choice (see http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedor.../msg00861.html)
It's really big -> Linux; if space is your concern, you might want to look for another kernel which isn't enormous, maybe Hurd. I wonder which will be first, Hurd or Neo900.
GNOME/KDE/... now have systemd as a dependency so it has to be installed -> okay, I can see this, but on the other hand, why not? Who on earth manually installs these behemoth desktop environments? And -> they all also heavily depend on Linux

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

app settings inside jolla settings should be ones you setup once and do not touch for a months. recently used options should remain inside app itself.

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

This is also how Jolla's own applications do it. Inside the application, People and Documents have an option to show/hide the search bar, Calendar has an option to change which calendars are visible and which colours they should have, Email lets you change the sorting order, Maps lets you switch between different kinds of maps, and so on.

Re: Application settings inside Jolla's Settings
 

Well, it would be nice if the settings would go along in the backup-restore routine. As goes for the list of installed apps.