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nh1402 2018-02-26 20:50
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tortoisedoc (Post 1541661)
I wonder, is it a real nokia hw or just some phone with the same form-factor? It's missing the NOKIA label?
I suspect it's not the Nokia 3310, I have seen a video of someone comparing the 3310 to a knock off and they looked surprisingly similar.

mosen 2018-02-26 21:01
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1541669)
I suspect it's not the Nokia 3310, I have seen a video of someone comparing the 3310 to a knock off and they looked surprisingly similar.
I concour, also the keypad is printed totally different to HMD with differrent font type and symbols.

otsaloma 2018-02-26 21:47
Re: MWC2018 news
 
https://jolla.com/sailfish3/

"Qt upgrade", "New APIs: Location"! The rest looks good too.

mscion 2018-02-26 21:53
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by otsaloma (Post 1541671)
https://jolla.com/sailfish3/

"Qt upgrade", "New APIs: Location"! The rest looks good too.
Thanks! I hope regional solutions includes US!

pisarz1958 2018-02-27 05:46
Re: MWC2018 news
 
I wonder why they mentioned BLE, support for that is rather decent already, apart from Android not being able to use it. I mean, I tried my old code yesterday and it worked.

pichlo 2018-02-27 05:48
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1541649)
Cool. I have been looking for a feature phone with WhatsApp support.
Screw Whatsit, all I need is Bluetooth (for hands free use in the car) and a hotspot functionality. Show me a candy bar phone like that, shut up and take my money!

magullo 2018-02-27 06:35
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1541676)
Screw Whatsit, all I need is Bluetooth (for hands free use in the car) and a hotspot functionality. Show me a candy bar phone like that, shut up and take my money!
Yes, BTLE is what we need. Working DAV functionalities and cloud integration. If I need WhatsApp I'd use Android or iOS.

Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk

benny1967 2018-02-27 09:40
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1541649)
Cool. I have been looking for a feature phone with WhatsApp support.
The iPhone is what you need.

deutch1976 2018-02-27 10:18
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Fake 3310 Nokia

https://www.phonearena.com/news/This...-of-it_id94283

https://techprolonged.com/2017/05/no...ginal-vs-fake/

If it was the real one i would be happy :D

Feathers McGraw 2018-02-27 10:34
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1541683)
The iPhone is what you need.
Almost sprayed a mouthful of coffee all over my desk! Lol

pichlo 2018-02-27 10:48
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1541687)
"They can also [...] sell it for $12. That's what, two movie tickets?"

Two movie tickets for $12? I appreciate the article is nearly a year old, but come on, where could you get two cinema tickets for $12? I do not remember the last time I spent less than £10 ($14) on a single ticket. Is going to the cinema really that much cheaper on the other side of the pond?

kinggo 2018-02-27 11:08
Re: MWC2018 news
 
well, it's taht cheap on the other side of EU also. But I would gladly take your ticket price and your avg salary :)

tortoisedoc 2018-02-27 11:29
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1541670)
I concour, also the keypad is printed totally different to HMD with differrent font type and symbols.
Well, bummer, Nokia went with KaioOS (a.k.a. ex AOSP, ex Firefox).
:( (whatever that is)

Kabouik 2018-02-27 11:39
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Wouldn't it be surprising that a company built by former Nokia employees demonstrates their OS on a counterfeit Nokia device in a professional mobile trade show? I mean, I understand that their story with Nokia is a rocky road, but showing a counterfeit phone in a demonstration stand in one of the biggest mobile congresses would be bold.

juiceme 2018-02-27 11:42
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1541687)
It's not too bad that it runs on a fake 3310 in the demo; the specs on that device are somewhat lower which means it should run really smooth on the real thing then :D

juiceme 2018-02-27 11:44
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1541693)
Wouldn't it be surprising that a company built by former Nokia employees demonstrates their OS on a counterfeit Nokia device in a professional mobile trade show? I mean, I understand that their story with Nokia is a rocky road, but showing a counterfeit phone in a demonstration stand in one of the biggest mobile congresses would be bold.
Well that's why the labels have been striped off, duh?

Kabouik 2018-02-27 11:55
Re: MWC2018 news
 
But I mean, labels or not, there is no way they can get away with it if they use a counterfeit device in this kind of event full or professionals and media, including people from Nokia. Obviously people will notice that it's not a genuine Nokia phone, nor a random feature phone either. I'm not sure what good it can do, and why not choosing a random feature phone instead if they couldn't get the partnership (or compatibility) with the genuine 3310.

deutch1976 2018-02-27 12:41
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1541689)
Almost sprayed a mouthful of coffee all over my desk! Lol
Have you guys seen or used the Iphone X gestures? I believe i have seen that somewhere...:confused: :)

OVK 2018-02-27 13:04
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1541683)
The iPhone is what you need.
Getting an iPhone for a six year old kid? Isn't that a bit overkill?

lal 2018-02-27 13:38
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1541690)
"They can also [...] sell it for $12. That's what, two movie tickets?"

Two movie tickets for $12? I appreciate the article is nearly a year old, but come on, where could you get two cinema tickets for $12? I do not remember the last time I spent less than £10 ($14) on a single ticket. Is going to the cinema really that much cheaper on the other side of the pond?
If the "where" in your post is not limited to Europe, well, in more than half the landmass of the world I guess.

pichlo 2018-02-27 13:49
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1541702)
Getting an iPhone for a six year old kid? Isn't that a bit overkill?
On the contrary, I have been told that it would be the most obvious and the most suitable solution. (Get them an iPhone 3 or 4, of course. Not X, that would be silly.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lal (Post 1541704)
If the "where" in your post is not limited to Europe, well, in more than half the landmass of the world I guess.
I was assuming the article was referring to US dollars, and that the US prices are comparable to UK. (Yes, we all know that the US is much cheaper than the UK but I was not expecting it would be that much.)

LouisDK 2018-02-27 18:13
Re: MWC2018 news
 
I've been in contact with Planet Computers on their Facebook page.

Apparently the Sailfish build for the Gemini PDA is only a community port with no planned Android support at this point.

The good news however it that you should be able to download it from their website at some point and flash it onto a regular Gemini PDA.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/planetcom/p...74117696075095

mariusmssj 2018-02-27 20:49
Re: MWC2018 news
 
this whole fake 3310 thing is interesting but I don't remember Jolla ever claiming it was the Nokia 3310

tortoisedoc 2018-02-27 21:08
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1541740)
this whole fake 3310 thing is interesting but I don't remember Jolla ever claiming it was the Nokia 3310
Correct; also actually in a video which was shared by ( SFOS South America iirc ,edit this one) they state it is *not* a NOKIA device.

mariusmssj 2018-02-28 08:00
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tortoisedoc (Post 1541741)
Correct; also actually in a video which was shared by ( SFOS South America iirc ,edit this one) they state it is *not* a NOKIA device.
Yep he did say multiple times this is just a feature phone and NOT a Nokia

benny1967 2018-02-28 09:04
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1541729)
I've been in contact with Planet Computers on their Facebook page.

Apparently the Sailfish build for the Gemini PDA is only a community port with no planned Android support at this point.

The good news however it that you should be able to download it from their website at some point and flash it onto a regular Gemini PDA.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/planetcom/p...74117696075095
OTOH Jolla on FB said Gemini would be officially supported - whatever that means in the context of the statement given by Planet Computers...

OVK 2018-02-28 14:23
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1541706)
On the contrary, I have been told that it would be the most obvious and the most suitable solution. (Get them an iPhone 3 or 4, of course. Not X, that would be silly.)
I am looking for a communication device (at least calls and sms, preferably also Whatsapp), not a device to consume media.

Therefore, a dumb phone is superior over an iPhone (battery lasts weeks vs. one day, is indestructible vs. has huge screen that will brake etc.).

MartinK 2018-02-28 14:26
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1541765)
OTOH Jolla on FB said Gemini would be officially supported - whatever that means in the context of the statement given by Planet Computers...
The Gemini PDA runs Android by default, right ? So at least the building blocks (an Android hardware adaptation for the device) should be in place for enabling Android emulation support the way it's currently done.

richie 2018-02-28 20:29
Re: MWC2018 news
 
There are some good videos on periscope courtesy of @SailfishOSnews

https://www.pscp.tv/SailfishOSNews/1mnxeXZqVBNJX

atlochowski 2018-03-01 11:33
Re: MWC2018 news
 
https://twitter.com/SailfishOSNews/s...40466611519488

mick3_de 2018-03-01 14:46
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1541644)
oh yeah, it is...
Exactly, I ran that already but is:

Qualcomm SDM630 Snapdragon 630 (Xperia XA2) better than Qualcomm MSM8956 Snapdragon 650 (Xperia X)?

and Adreno 508 (Xperia XA2) better than the Adreno 510 (Xperia X) ?
Adreno 508 has 96 GPU ALUs at 850 Mhz, Adreno 510 128 ALUs at 600 Mhz. Multiplied clockwise the 508 has a small advantage but maybe it can't keep this higher clock permanently or RAM ist not fast enought so it says 170 GFLOPS for the Adreno 508 vs. 180 GFLOPS for Adreno 510.

I think Qualcomm ist right with the naming 508/510 as practically both GPUs are in same range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adreno


Quote:
Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1541644)
It also says:

Octa-core 2.2 GHz Cortex-A53 for the XA2
vs
Hexa-core (4x1.4 GHz Cortex-A53 & 2x1.8 GHz Cortex-A72) for the X

It seems the 630 might be as good as the 650, but with much less power consumption and better LTE/Bt/Etc support and the 14mm construction which helps speeding things up whilst consuming less
The 650 still has superior single-thread performance as Cortex-A72 is much faster than Cortex-A53 even with lower clock frequency as it has more than 2x integer instructions per MHz compared to Cortex-A53 (4.72 DMIPS vs. 2.24 DMIPS).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._ARMv8-A_cores

Also Snapdragon 630 is 4x 2.2 GHz + 4x 1.8 GHz Cortex-A53 so only the 4 faster Cortex-A53 cores at 2.2 GHz compete against 2 ultra-fast Cortex-A72 cores of the Snapdragon 650 only at 1.8 Ghz working as two big.LITTLE clusters and not as a "real" octacore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big.LITTLE

Yes, the Snapdragon 630 is the more modern chip from a newer generation (14nm, DDR4 RAM, LTE Cat 12/13, BT 5.0, USB 3.1) compared to the 3 year old Snapdragon 650 (once called Snapdragon 620 :) but performance-wise I wouldn't expect more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0,_652_and_653
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0,_636_and_660

But less power consumption for a similar performance seems to be true:

> Battery life
> Xperia XA2 92h endurance rating
> Xperia X 67h endurance rating (2620 mAh)

PS: Sorry, it's mostly only because of battery capacity increase: :(

> Xperia XA2 Non-removable Li-Ion 3300 mAh battery
> Xperia X Non-removable Li-Ion 2620 mAh battery

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php...&idPhone2=7948

mscion 2018-03-02 02:51
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Here is an interesting Engadget article about Jolla from MWC.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/01/...interview-mwc/

BluesLee 2018-03-02 06:31
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1541863)
Here is an interesting Engadget article about Jolla from MWC.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/01/...interview-mwc/
They even mention Dave999 :D
Quote:
Jolla had some profitable months last year and started issuing refunds to people who backed its tablet on Indiegogo. The company won't say how many are left, however. "It's not that many," Pienimäki claims. "Some of them are a bit noisy, but it's not really that many anymore."

gerbick 2018-03-02 14:41
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Sorta glad that Engadget picked up a Jolla story. I'm just hoping for an announcement from somebody that will support the North American region for LTE, whatnot.

Or the mere mention of a tablet... that did get my attention as well.

mikecomputing 2018-03-02 14:59
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Seriously, why does people here still going in their underpants when the see a Nokia like phone!?

gerbick 2018-03-02 15:15
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1541901)
Seriously, why does people here still going in their underpants when the see a Nokia like phone!?
Nostalgia mostly.

richie 2018-03-03 13:30
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1541899)
Sorta glad that Engadget picked up a Jolla story. I'm just hoping for an announcement from somebody that will support the North American region for LTE, whatnot.

Or the mere mention of a tablet... that did get my attention as well.
Listening carefully to @sailfishos video of Alexey Kogan talking about Sailfish, I think he says that they are due to release another device, possibly for worldwide sales,

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YpJkEPzZnyKj

LouisDK 2018-03-03 22:00
Re: MWC2018 news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1541863)
Here is an interesting Engadget article about Jolla from MWC.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/01/...interview-mwc/
Two points worries me quite a bit:

Quote:
Jolla's pitch was simple: If you license Sailfish, you get full access to the source code. ... "That really sets us apart from everybody else," Pienimäki said. Sailfish OS, the company hoped, would become synonymous with security.
So when sharing source codes with selected 3rd party you'll enable them to explore new backdoors and make custom compiled version with added backdoors.

Also since the parts in question are closed source the public won't be able so spot differences in custom vs. vanilla Sailfish parts or search for backdoors themselves.

How can this be labelled as secure?

Not to mention the risk of a total source code leak which would destroy Jolla's business opportunities.

And:

Quote:
Since then, Jolla has inked deals in China -- a country that, like Russia, has a difficult relationship with Google -- and Latin America. In practice, it works a little something like this: Jolla will issue its source code to local partners who liaise with enterprise customers and provide the final hardware. Clients will request services, or features, that Jolla then solves with tools, or "enablers," in Sailfish OS. It could be a mobile device management framework, or an open VPN solution -- mundane features to the average consumer, but critical for secure business communications.

"A good example is security algorithms," Pienimäki said. "We don't do security algorithms for our clients, because typically they want to use their local partners to harden some communication systems. So something like that, in the platform, we'll only do enablers and tell them that, 'Okay here is an API and here you can put your local security algorithm.'"
So basically Jolla is allowing foreign agencies to destroy the security of SailfishOS while looking the other way in the hope of a strong partnership?

Again: Secure?

Please note that I'm really big fan of SailfishOS. I just (like many others fans) see the security aspect as a key feature of SailfishOS which shoundn't be destroyed in the hunt for new partnerships.

kinggo 2018-03-03 22:25
Re: MWC2018 news
 
so.... what's the problem here? The same way any of those 3rd party vendors can implement something, Jolla can also. How do you know that they already don't have a back door since OMG :eek::eek::eek::eek: sailfish is not fully open sourced. Maybe it would be better if sailfish would be fully closed so no one could implement anything :rolleyes:

richie 2018-03-03 22:39
Re: MWC2018 news
 
It work like this according to this old image https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cylz-a0WQAAzJ6i.jpg

So Jolla will oversee any code going back in to SailfishOS to maintain independent offering. Leaking code is probably prohibited by commercial contracts.


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