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velox 2018-06-01 12:04
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Regarding my first impressions above:
I was (also) wrong about the "having to swipe to key pad" part. I've edited the post accordingly. If I find a thumb position where the finger print works all the time, it'd be pretty usable, even with having to press the button.

Regarding the Gallery:
While the multiple ways to exit an Image view are a bit irritating at first and it's not the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, I agree it's really much, much better than the abhorrent tap-to-split view and a lot less confusing for new users.

epninety 2018-06-01 12:17
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1544961)
Sounds like your SD card got a new mount point and the gallery is still showing the old picture index. At least take the time to check whether everything is actually gone before boldly claiming it is.
I did, and it is. Before I posted I mounted the SD card in my PC and verified the loss. ./Pictures and ./Video on the SD card are spectacularly empty. They also weren't visible from a file manager on the phone.

I said 'it seems' to allow for my being mistaken, not for my not bothering to check. I recovered a lot of deleted images overnight, but can't check them until I get home.

At least take the time to check before calling me an idiot :)

velox 2018-06-01 12:59
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1544961)
Sounds like your SD card got a new mount point and the gallery is still showing the old picture index. At least take the time to check whether everything is actually gone before boldly claiming it is.
I made a link to my mounts, because neither File Manager nor ownKeepass saw the SD card mounted:
Code:
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ ln -s /run/media/nemo/ mounts
Does not directly help with the camera, though. But I guess you could link the Pictures directory to the card, if it does not change it's mount point again.
Edit: That won't bring back lost files, obviously :(

ajalkane 2018-06-01 13:32
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Something nice that I noticed:

Previously when listening to music with Sailfish, and an e-mail alert enters, or SMS or any system sound, the music would be muted while the sound was playing. Now the music continues to play, but it's volume is lowered during the system sound.

This was driving me insane. Now it's pretty nice.

nthn 2018-06-01 14:53
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epninety (Post 1544967)
I did, and it is. Before I posted I mounted the SD card in my PC and verified the loss. ./Pictures and ./Video on the SD card are spectacularly empty. They also weren't visible from a file manager on the phone.

I said 'it seems' to allow for my being mistaken, not for my not bothering to check. I recovered a lot of deleted images overnight, but can't check them until I get home.

At least take the time to check before calling me an idiot :)
I didn't say anything of the sort, although it is still literally impossible that this update removed any of your pictures or videos - the update process does not touch user files at all, nor does it touch the SD card. It must have happened some other way.

Edit: at least one other person has apparently experienced the same problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/...r-of-pictures/

wrm 2018-06-01 17:06
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
I got exactly oposite, galery just doubled all my photos, was surprised to see nearly 10 000 pictures :D did the tracker database refresh and got back to real 4984 photos :)

epninety 2018-06-01 17:24
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1544975)
I didn't say anything of the sort.
I didn't intend to suggest that you did, that's why there's a smiley at the end. You did suggest that I made my statements without checking their accuracy, I simply intended to suggest you apply the same standard to your own comments. My humour, such as it is, falling on deaf ears as so often the case :o

I didn't intend to suggest it was done by the update process either. It was almost certainly done by some action or interaction in the camera or gallery app. The camera app claimed to be using the SD card, but no new pictures were appearing in the gallery, and the camera app refused to take more than one picture unless closed and restarted.
File Manager showed files on the SD card, but as I said, Pictures and Video folders empty. I removed the SD card and verified on PC, then set a job to recover deleted files, which was looking to be fairly successful when I left it at 2am.

Camera operates normally when storing to internal memory, as expected.

Enough said. I'll carry on using my MX4 Ubuntu phone as workshop camera. Oddly it's one of only two apps on that device which isn't completely hateful.

nthn 2018-06-01 17:27
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epninety (Post 1544986)
I didn't intend to suggest that you did, that's why there's a smiley at the end. You did suggest that I made my statements without checking their accuracy, I simply intended to suggest you apply the same standard to your own comments. My humour, such as it is, falling on deaf ears as so often the case :o

I didn't intend to suggest it was done by the update process either. It was almost certainly done by some action or interaction in the camera or gallery app. The camera app claimed to be using the SD card, but no new pictures were appearing in the gallery, and the camera app refused to take more than one picture unless closed and restarted.
File Manager showed files on the SD card, but as I said, Pictures and Video folders empty. I removed the SD card and verified on PC, then set a job to recover deleted files, which was looking to be fairly successful when I left it at 2am.

Camera operates normally when storing to internal memory, as expected.

Enough said. I'll carry on using my MX4 Ubuntu phone as workshop camera. Oddly it's one of only two apps on that device which isn't completely hateful.
I just added an edit to my previous post, someone else has apparently had the same problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/...r-of-pictures/

pichlo 2018-06-01 18:06
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1544973)
Something nice that I noticed:

Previously when listening to music with Sailfish, and an e-mail alert enters, or SMS or any system sound, the music would be muted while the sound was playing. Now the music continues to play, but it's volume is lowered during the system sound.

This was driving me insane. Now it's pretty nice.
Really? Hurray, finally!

http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/megabounce.gif

m4r0v3r 2018-06-01 19:36
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
hmm nothing on browser...shame

mosen 2018-06-02 04:23
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1544996)
hmm nothing on browser...shame
Raine Mäkeläinen, developer @ Jolla in Mer-Meeting on 2018-05-31
Quote:
<rainemak> let's see when next browser engine update happens, we're lacking a bit behind

rfa 2018-06-02 05:25
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
With the change of SD link, I understand I should do the update with the SD card removed, and then refresh the media database?

Saturn 2018-06-02 09:30
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1544975)
...at least one other person has apparently experienced the same problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/...r-of-pictures/
Confirming the issue. I had the same, all files in the SD were deleted and new folders were created.

It was only noticed because the rsync propagated the deletions also to my backup at disk. Luckily noticed it immediately and the restore at my PC seems to find all files - it is still running though.


EDIT: something is strange. It seems the files were not deleted from the SD but were moved:
Code:
Filesystem          1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs                2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /
/dev/sailfish/home    18853612  3517312  15129964  19% /home
devtmpfs              1335276      116  1335160  1% /dev
tmpfs                  1431476      640  1430836  1% /dev/shm
tmpfs                  1431476    16580  1414896  2% /run
tmpfs                  1431476        0  1431476  0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs                  1431476        4  1431472  1% /tmp
tmpfs                  1431476        0  1431476  0% /mnt
/dev/mmcblk0p28        384284    168116    208236  45% /odm
/dev/mmcblk0p3          85968    62752    23216  73% /firmware
/dev/mmcblk0p52        610952    604540        0 100% /fimage
/dev/mmcblk0p13          12016      3736      7956  32% /dsp
/dev/mmcblk0p25          28144      200    27292  1% /persist
/dev/sailfish/home    18853612  3517312  15129964  19% /opt/alien/data
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/bin
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/sbin
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/lib
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/usr
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/var
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/etc
tmpfs                  1431476        4  1431472  1% /opt/alien/tmp
/dev/sailfish/home    18853612  3517312  15129964  19% /opt/alien/home
devtmpfs              1335276      116  1335160  1% /opt/alien/dev
tmpfs                  1431476      640  1430836  1% /opt/alien/dev/shm
tmpfs                  1431476        0  1431476  0% /opt/alien/sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs                  1431476    16580  1414896  2% /opt/alien/run
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/media
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/vendor
/dev/mmcblk0p28        384284    168116    208236  45% /opt/alien/odm
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/system_jolla
/dev/sailfish/root    2488624  1377048  1069644  57% /opt/alien/data_jolla
tmpfs                  286296      812    285484  1% /run/user/100000
tmpfs                  286296      812    285484  1% /opt/alien/run/user/100000
/dev/mmcblk1p1        62332704  31833600  30499104  52% /run/media/nemo/CZAM64
/dev/mmcblk1p1        62332704  31833600  30499104  52% /opt/alien/run/media/nemo/CZAM64
/dev/fuse            18853612  3517312  15129964  19% /opt/alien/storage/sdcard0
notice the: /dev/mmcblk1p1 62332704 31833600 30499104 52% /run/media/nemo/CZAM64

Code:
[nemo@Sailfish ~]$ cd /media/sdcard/
[nemo@Sailfish sdcard]$ ls -al
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 3 nemo nemo 4096 Jun  1 00:17 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 27 07:53 ..
drwxr-xr-x 5 nemo nemo 4096 Jun  1 00:56 090B-1C1F
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  15 Jun  1 00:17 nemo -> /run/media/nemo
[nemo@Sailfish sdcard]$ cd nemo/
[nemo@Sailfish nemo]$ ls -al
total 32
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root root    60 Jun  1 09:45 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root    60 Jun  1 09:45 ..
drwxr-xr-x  9 nemo nemo 32768 Jan  1  1970 CZAM64
[nemo@Sailfish nemo]$ pwd -L
/media/sdcard/nemo
[nemo@Sailfish nemo]$ pwd -P
/run/media/nemo
[nemo@Sailfish nemo]$
EDIT2: After further investigation, no files lost apparently. it was just my backup scripts that were sub-optimal. I used hardcoded links and recreated the old paths.
Apologies for the false alarm.

cy8aer 2018-06-02 10:49
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1544973)
Something nice that I noticed:

Previously when listening to music with Sailfish, and an e-mail alert enters, or SMS or any system sound, the music would be muted while the sound was playing. Now the music continues to play, but it's volume is lowered during the system sound.

This was driving me insane. Now it's pretty nice.
And it seems to fade-in the alarm sound.

cy8aer 2018-06-02 10:54
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfa (Post 1545008)
With the change of SD link, I understand I should do the update with the SD card removed, and then refresh the media database?
Why do they change the mount link of the sd change so often anyways? In linux systems the standard link is /media/user/sdcardname. Never seen /run/media/sdcardname before (but ok, has a logical touch...)

[Update] just heard: SuSE has /run/media/sdcardname for a longer time...

MartinK 2018-06-02 23:42
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1545018)
Why do they change the mount link of the sd change so often anyways? In linux systems the standard link is /media/user/sdcardname. Never seen /run/media/sdcardname before (but ok, has a logical touch...)

[Update] just heard: SuSE has /run/media/sdcardname for a longer time...
The "new" Sailfish OS path to the SD card is also similar how Fedora mounts SD cards:

Sailfish OS:
/run/media/nemo/<sdcard partition label>

Fedora:
/run/media/<username>/<sdcard partition label>

My guess would be this is harmonization work for upcoming storage changes/improvements likely needed for implementing user/system data encryption.

Careful watchers of the full Sailfish OS changelogs & Mer project git activity might have already noticed various related packages recently finding their way in, such as cryptsetup, udisks2 or libblockdev.

TMavica 2018-06-03 00:35
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
my symlink of sdcard is incorrect. It is /media/sdcard/nemo/uuid...

gerbick 2018-06-03 04:15
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Tablet updated just fine; however my Jolla C will not update no matter what I do... ugh.

pichlo 2018-06-03 05:38
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1545017)
And it seems to fade-in the alarm sound.
It does? :confused: How do I enable it? I was just woken up with an alarm starting blasting at full volume, like always.

willi6868 2018-06-03 08:52
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1544973)
Previously when listening to music with Sailfish, and an e-mail alert enters, or SMS or any system sound, the music would be muted while the sound was playing. Now the music continues to play, but it's volume is lowered during the system sound.
Well on my Jolla1 this apparently is not working and it seems that the music is still muted to play a system tone.

Do you still hear the music quitly while a system tone is played now?

Schturman 2018-06-03 10:31
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Finally I updated all devices, but have strange problems:
1. On Jolla 1 and C inside Settings -> Transfers I can't delete content... Not one by one and not by Clear all, it just don't do nothing...
2. On the Tablet in the Settings (under security) I don't have option "Untrusted software".
Can someone confirm?

Zeta 2018-06-03 12:27
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1545018)
Why do they change the mount link of the sd change so often anyways? In linux systems the standard link is /media/user/sdcardname. Never seen /run/media/sdcardname before (but ok, has a logical touch...)

[Update] just heard: SuSE has /run/media/sdcardname for a longer time...
Yes, this change can be traced back to the introduction of udisks2, following the /run directory add.
It is quite difficult to find the original posts of the time, but there are newer answers on SO mentioning them with dead links :
https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...n-mount#177132
Or this from 2012 : https://bojalinuxer.blogspot.com/201...-runmedia.html

And MartinK just listed udisks2 as a new package found in mer.

aspergerguy 2018-06-03 13:23
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1545038)
Tablet updated just fine; however my Jolla C will not update no matter what I do... ugh.
No problems updating both Jolla C via UI and "Jollafied" AquaFish via Terminal, so looks like due to your individual setup unfortunately. With regards to Tablet suppose too much to expect that screenshot storage has been addressed?
http://i64.tinypic.com/kohoo.png

nthn 2018-06-03 14:28
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspergerguy (Post 1545048)
With regards to Tablet suppose too much to expect that screenshot storage has been addressed?
Just checked, still broken. Sixteen months and counting!

aspergerguy 2018-06-03 14:32
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schturman (Post 1545045)
On Jolla 1 and C inside Settings -> Transfers I can't delete content... Not one by one and not by Clear all, it just don't do nothing...
Can someone confirm?
No such issues one by one upon J1 and Jollafied AquaFish (Jolla C), although upon J1 upon removing single transfer on first opening feature (successfully) it returned to rectangular open app window, although staying open upon subsequent attempts. In both cases I didn't want to "clear all", so can imagine that Jolla 1 not too happy if you tried this feature first.

ajalkane 2018-06-03 14:55
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1545043)
Well on my Jolla1 this apparently is not working and it seems that the music is still muted to play a system tone.

Do you still hear the music quitly while a system tone is played now?
Yes. On Sony Xperia the music plays quietly while system tone is played.

I have Jolla 1 & Jolla C, but I haven't tried this update on them yet.

nthn 2018-06-03 15:32
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
I just checked on my Jolla 1, and it plays the 'beep boop' charging sound on top of music playing through Unplayer, without lowering the volume. The 'beep beep' sound when powersaving mode activates, on the other hand, mutes the music playing through Unplayer.

gerbick 2018-06-03 17:58
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspergerguy (Post 1545048)
No problems updating both Jolla C via UI and "Jollafied" AquaFish via Terminal, so looks like due to your individual setup unfortunately. With regards to Tablet suppose too much to expect that screenshot storage has been addressed?
http://i64.tinypic.com/kohoo.png
I’ve only placed a SIM inside of this phone. Nothing else special. No custom individual setup beyond turned on, updated, used sparingly.

Oh well. Tablet storage of screenshots has not been addressed.

pichlo 2018-06-03 19:52
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schturman (Post 1545045)
Finally I updated all devices, but have strange problems:
1. On Jolla 1 and C inside Settings -> Transfers I can't delete content... Not one by one and not by Clear all, it just don't do nothing...
2. On the Tablet in the Settings (under security) I don't have option "Untrusted software".
Can someone confirm?
No, but Transfers did behave weirdly. I happened to have them empty so had to go and download a few things just to try. While files 2 and 3 were still dowloading, file 1 finished and I got a popup notification as expected. But then the same notification kept popping up every 5 seconds or so until I went to Transfers and removed that entry from the list. Then the same thing happened for file 2 and 3 when their turn came.

Clear All worked fine, as did individual entry deletions.

All on Jolla 1.

pichlo 2018-06-03 20:01
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1545052)
I just checked on my Jolla 1, and it plays the 'beep boop' charging sound on top of music playing through Unplayer, without lowering the volume. The 'beep beep' sound when powersaving mode activates, on the other hand, mutes the music playing through Unplayer.
I can confirm. I can also confirm that it is the only notification that lets the music keep playing. Email, SMS and alarm mute the playback. However receiving an SMS while you are in the middle of a chat with the sender (i.e. .Messages open in the relevant SMS thread) does not mute it. So much for consistency.

Tested on Jolla 1 using Muzic! for the player.

Schturman 2018-06-04 06:48
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
aspergerguy and pichlo, thanks for test. Any idea how i can clean Transfers screen ? (terminal?)

cy8aer 2018-06-04 10:07
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1545041)
It does? :confused: How do I enable it? I was just woken up with an alarm starting blasting at full volume, like always.
For me it was simply there - but on an countdown alarm.

TMavica 2018-06-04 11:22
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
call recorder unable to play the audio now?

pichlo 2018-06-04 11:53
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1545090)
For me it was simply there - but on an countdown alarm.
OK, I can hear it now. On scheduled alarms too. "Fade in" for about a second. You can just about hear it when you are looking for it, definitely not something you would notice at 5:30 in the morning when the alarm goes off. I was expecting at least 30 seconds to be useful.

cy8aer 2018-06-04 12:09
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1545100)
OK, I can hear it now. On scheduled alarms too. "Fade in" for about a second. You can just about hear it when you are looking for it, definitely not something you would notice at 5:30 in the morning when the alarm goes off. I was expecting at least 30 seconds to be useful.
Maybe there is some time parameter for fading we do not know about...

nthn 2018-06-04 14:36
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1545100)
OK, I can hear it now. On scheduled alarms too. "Fade in" for about a second. You can just about hear it when you are looking for it, definitely not something you would notice at 5:30 in the morning when the alarm goes off. I was expecting at least 30 seconds to be useful.
Well, given that the alarm goes off for only 60 seconds at most, regardless of the actual length of the tune, with no possibility to keep it ringing indefinitely, it would already be over by the time it fully faded in.

pichlo 2018-06-04 17:36
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1545109)
Well, given that the alarm goes off for only 60 seconds at most, regardless of the actual length of the tune, with no possibility to keep it ringing indefinitely, it would already be over by the time it fully faded in.
That may be so, but even that would be helpful to not wake up the missus ;)

juiceme 2018-06-04 19:58
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
I have exactly the same problem @pichlo has but an unique solution ;)
I adjusted the envelope of my alarm tones in audacity to start up civilly and not blast at full force.

mosen 2018-06-05 06:28
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1545120)
I have exactly the same problem @pichlo has but an unique solution ;)
I adjusted the envelope of my alarm tones in audacity to start up civilly and not blast at full force.
Patch, Patch, Patch! release.

olympus 2018-06-05 07:18
Re: 2.2.0 EA / Mouhijoki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1545070)
I can confirm. I can also confirm that it is the only notification that lets the music keep playing. Email, SMS and alarm mute the playback. However receiving an SMS while you are in the middle of a chat with the sender (i.e. .Messages open in the relevant SMS thread) does not mute it. So much for consistency.

Tested on Jolla 1 using Muzic! for the player.
When i listen to music i always put my Xperia X in silent mode, so the music is not interupted.. guess what, after the update, the SMS alert still goes through even if in silent mode. Now thats quite silly if you ask me.


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