Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

By comparing XperiaXCompact and XA2 with 3.0.3.8 side by side I can tell you that XA2 does not utilise AGPS (network-assisted GPS) and is reliant upon device GPS, so hopeless indoors and needing 10 -15 minutes from cold start outdoors (just like Nokia of old and I should know from NSD days) if no ephemeris GPS data stored. In both cases microG is installed so you can compare these screenshots below.

In both devices getting lock upon Here, Waze & Google Maps but XA2 3.0.3.8 still unusable daily, as lost 10% battery (presumably Wifi drain supposedly addressed) just conducting this exercise for you.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

I did notice, indeed. Looking at System Monitor (SysMon), I noticed a graph for CPU sleep. During some periods CPU sleep reports zero while the device is actually doing nothing.

Long periods when zero, battery drain seems seems to be going twice as fast. Also in Flight mode, when wi-fi should not cause any battery usage, right?

When I notice a long period of zero CPU sleep, I reboot. Restarting home screen does not help.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Yeah, I didn't see any improvements w.r.t. wifi and battery drain in 3.0.3.8. I've added my findings to the topic on TJC. My work-around so far: disable WLAN, reboot, keep WLAN disabled. Witfhout WLAN, battery life is fine.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

In that case I must be the only one not affected.

I have both a Jolla 1 and an Xperia X. I use the Jolla as my daily phone since the X is a bit too large to be convenient but I have recently (like about a week ago) started using the X after my old Android tablet died and I had a game in progress :D So my X has an Android support installed (I do not use it for anything else anyway) whilst I would never allow it to touch my Jolla.

After your message and the responses, I started paying close attention to the battery drain situation. The verdict: on neither the Jolla nor the X have I noticed any change at all after the OS upgrade. Unplugging both of them fully charged at 22:00 and checking again at 05:30 the next morning, the Jolla is at 88-92% and the X at 100%, like it has always been.

What I have noticed is an awful battery drain on the X while playing the game. Each minute takes the battery down by about 1%. But that was the case on my old Android tablet too and is not specific to Xperia X or SFOS.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Regarding battery consumption, yesterday I was using Xperia X as a WiFi hotspot and it was using battery faster than it charged. Closing Android support seemed to help a little, then it was charging faster than consuming.

Do not know which was the problem: Android support or hotspot. All I know is that I have not had such problem before.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Thank you all for the replies. In my case, I think I found the culprit. I'm using Amazfish to sync with my smartwatch. The app requires libicu 52. Since libicu was updated during the 3.0.3 upgrade to version 63, I have additionally installed the old library (provided by piggz). However, this seems to be the issue. While Amazfish is running, the battery drain is massively increased (like around 9 hours idle time with a full battery instead of the usual 30), as soon as I close the app it is greatly increasing again.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Hum, I am also using microG as my Google Service provider, but I can't get GPS to work at all in Android apps.

GPS works flawlessly on native apps (Laufhelden, Pure Maps, etc.), but when I open android apps (Uber, Lime, Tier, Flash, Catch-a-Car, etc.) it never gets any location, the location icon doesn't even appear on sailfish.

Do you have any idea how to debug this?

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Upon my XA2 in Location > Custom with GPS positioning, Offline & Online position lock from Mozilla enabled. Under microG have Apple UnifiedNip Backend, Déjà Vu, Local GSM location & UnifiedNip (no GAPPS) Location provider middleware installed. Had just about given up until GPS suddenly showed 9/35 Satellites in use/view after leaving phone outside for about 20 minutes. Whether installation of Google Maps triggered something however I know not.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

I haven't used Google maps on this device, but have Waze (also owned by Google) instead.


I had a similar issue post-update where it only connected after 10-15minutes.



I had issues connecting with Pure Maps for the first time after the update too, and my issue might be related to the fact that my last 'GPS online' location (ie. where I'd been last when my GPS was on) was some 50 miles from my current location, and I seem to find it straight away these days when I'm quite close by to the last 'GPS online' location.



edit: This is without having microG installed.


OT, but I'm a Pure Maps convert now, as we can use Here Maps' traffic tiles.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

I'm still experiencing massive battery drain when bluetooth and / or wifi is enabled.
As soon as I enable bluetooth, the CPU never goes to sleep. The same happens on some wifi connections. When I'm at home and my phone is connected to my wifi, everything is fine. When it's connected to my companies wifi, I see the same issues (battery drain because the CPU no longer enabled sleep mode).

As a first I'm now downgrading from 3.0.3.8 EA back to 3.0.2.8 and hope Jolla will fix this prior to the official release of 3.0.3.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Probably it would be useful to report this issue on https://together.jolla.com (did'nt find it there)...

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

There's a point update to 3.0.3.9

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

No upgrade is shown; did you do an upgrade via terminal?

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Yes (10 char)

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Please, check again 3.0.3.9 was released to all one hour ago. ;)

Edit: from 3.0.3.8 20 MB to download for my X.
Edit2: Blog Post https://blog.jolla.com/hossa/

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

A good point. But it can lead to weird situations. For example, I watch a Youtube video. The video is finished and my screen is still on. It has never occurred to me that it may have timed out.

Now I swipe from the bottom to start a new application. I expect the launcher but instead, I get the Camera app starting. I have not tried it but I suspect you would get Camera regardless of whether you have a screen lock PIN set up or not.

So now we have an inconsistency. A swipe from the bottom within a screen timeout limit brings up the launcher but wait a little bit longer and the same gesture does something completely different.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Only if the user deliberately decided to switch the "swipe from bottom on lockscreen to open camera" on.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

I think maybe not, because with no PIN lock set, my SF phone never goes into "locked but on" state even after extended sessions with keep-screen-on applications running like web video. I'll test this specifically this morning when I catch up on what Colbert said after I was asleep, and report back soon(TM).

Edit. I checked it out while watching youtube on my daily walk-to-nowhere: With no PIN lock set (and swipe up for camera enabled) and the screen on keep-alive by the playing video, a swipe up from the bottom edge opens launcher not the camera app.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Thanks, robthebold. I stand corrected.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa EA
 

Doesn't everybody? :D

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

I just noticed that there's a new update "Hossa" available.
(I regret that the last few weeks have bern so incredibly busy I have not even had time to read TMO or anything...)

What's the verdict, is it worth to update? The current 3.0.2.8 Oulanka is the stablest release ever, I have not run into single problem since installing it and have 50 days of uptime which is pushing my record on SFOS...

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Woww. 50 days are you on Xperia X or some XA2?

I myself am just considering leaving J1 behind and flashing the image to a Xperia X but was always thrown back by the bug reports.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

There are specific improvements for XA2, generic s/w updates including a newer browser engine.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

My daily driver is the original XperiaX.

I'd imagine lots of problems and dissatisfaction is caused by Alien Dalvik; as I don't use android at all I am safe from many bugs :p

Previously I have had some bugs in GPS and WLAN sharing that required device boot to get working again, however Oulanka has been remarkably stable and I have not run across any bugs really.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

In a word, no. Neither is it worth not updating. As far as have been able to observe, on both J1 and on Xperia X, there is no noticeable difference between Oulanka and Hossa.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

except it has a nasty bug in Messages app, jerking when trying to delete a message

PS 3.0.3 is the same ole' same ole' as are previous releases. Didn't have anything bad with my X for 1.5 years from the start.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Xperia X still works much better than XA2.
I regret switching to XA2 so early. I could have spared myself the proof of concept phase feeling with much disappointment...
Now after 3.0.3.8 XA2 is mostly usable (battery life was pitiful due to wlan related bug) and since Xperia X will not likely get any HADK related improvements, i stay with it now.
I additionally recommend not to switching to XA2 unless you are into BDSM or have some kind of religious mortification process to support :p

The biggest remaining bummer on XA2 to me is the UI performance. It feels like the GPU is not put to full use since transitions stutter all over. And i miss FP-reader for convenience i got used to on X. Heck, maybe double tap to wake for the first time since Jolla C...
Have yet to test on 3.0.3.9, updating now.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

I've expected this. Hopefully once they refine this new 4.4 kernel and android 8.1 support layer, next ports are gon' be easier (I'm still hoping for XZ2c port, although it seems less and less probable).

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

OK, makes sense. I have not ever met that bug since I never delete any messages; the phone is my memory and I won't delete stuff from my brain needlessly, either :D

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

What you even store bank sms codes :) ? Or emergency services alerts about unusual weather conditions?

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Seriously? I am quite the opposite. Never keep anything I don't absolutely have to. In biological or electronic memory, or in material stuff. A message still in my inbox is a sub-conscious signal, "you still have to deal with this". A deleted message = "you have dealt with it, you can finally relax".

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I don't see the point, why waste energy deleting stuff?


In my inbox, I rarely open half the rubbish I get, I just look at the headers in Thunderbird and move stuff that's important and leave the rest.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

You mean an SMS message, right? Is this just on the XA2 or other particular phone, because I don't think I've seen it on my Xperia X. What specifically is the experience?

I do regularly clean up the messages, so I delete a few each week -- I think I must be in a middle ground of deleting messages. I keep most from loved ones. And if I had a boss texting me orders, I'd for sure keep those to "ensure quality of service" as they say when a business is recording your phone call. But I usually only keep at most the latest text from the pharmacy telling me to pick up my dog's antidepressant or whatever just to know when I last did that.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Hold your finger on the message in the thread to bring the menu and it jerks and your finger is in between the options. Hold it again, it appears as it should.

3.0.2.8 specifically.
PS I'm on X dual.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Well, You are correct there; I do have some used bank SMS verification messages in my phone, never bothered to remove those.
As for those notification thingies for emergencies, wo don't have those in Finland I think.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

OK this must be something related to your device or something installed on it; I just tested that and on my XperiaX there's no "jittering", the menu appears on long press and it is rock solid.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

I can't reproduce this. The closest I can do is to delete a newer (lower) message and wait till the remorse timer is almost up, then long press to delete an older message that I've timed just so the timer expires when the menu appears. At that point the newer message disappears and the menu slides out from under my finger as the list collapses to fill the void. But that doesn't quite sound like the case you've described. Weird. :confused:

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

I don't know then. It appeared after updating to 3.0.2.8 and disappeared after I've updated to 3.0.3.9.

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

I still have that weird battery drain with 3.0.3.9 and bluetooth / wifi, even on a freshly flashed SFOS (soft-bricked the device on a downgrade attempt). So I guess there is nothing I can do than staying on 3.0.2 for the moment. I'll try again once all apps are adapted to 3.0.3, but will probably have to wait until Jolla finds and fixes the issue. They are tracking my TJC thread, so lets hope that will be soon :)

Re: Sailfish 3.0.3 Hossa
 

Please check:
du -xsh /var/lib/connman
for disk usage!
https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.ph...ht=connman+bug

It cost me 100MB from precious rootfs on JollaC (which is now freshly recovered from a failed upgrade: so stay on 3.2.0.8 ;)).
At least now I enlarged and have 3.6G for rootfs.

My XA2 is still lingering with Android as my N900 died again the 'all telephony functions disabled' modem death. And I just cannot deal with the people app not showing all vcf standard fields :mad:, a feature from Symbian times :rolleyes: