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Flynx 2020-02-13 21:51

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
I have to say I am surprised how many people are still using N900's. In the U.S. you pay the same price for service regardless of the device being 3G or 4G, is it different in Europe?

I didn't want to pay for 4G data so I could keep using a 3G device.

Maemish 2020-02-14 05:53

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
For prepaid there is a difference. After I made some rather stupid posts in social media regarding three letter folks and got huge problems with my internet connection I changed to prepaid. It is costy but have kinda stuck with this number and with no unwanted advertising calls etc. Each mont I pay now extra 10€ for my previous stupidity. So - do not post images in social media with scarf and sunglasses and hood and even just a cardboard machine gun and list all the agencies and say you are ready - with your own home ip atleast. Panicking and deleting accounts and mobile numbers is not a good move either if you notice that someone have paid attention on you.

biketool 2020-02-14 07:21

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Wait...
So you do some sort of meme in Finland about spooky US three-letter agencies and the American government can get Finnish ISPs to cut you off!?

justmemory 2020-02-14 07:22

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynx (Post 1565329)
I have to say I am surprised how many people are still using N900's. In the U.S. you pay the same price for service regardless of the device being 3G or 4G, is it different in Europe?

I didn't want to pay for 4G data so I could keep using a 3G device.

In my country I pay(ed) the same price - using n900 and then Samsung cost me the same.

nonsuch 2020-02-14 08:00

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
CyberCat, I'm not one of those old folks that used to use N900...
not saying I am young, but I only recently got into Maemo etc. and purchased an N900 and an N9 just some months ago.
I'm happy to say that the N900 is now my everyday device, and my previous Android phone is lying around unused. Gotta sell it while it's still worth something.

I also got me a Motorola Droid 4 and am planning to start testing Maemo Leste real soon on it & also the N900 (dual boot).

Maemish 2020-02-14 08:02

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Not just US. Included also east, Europe and middle-east folks. Plus visited day before in four different recruit sites for different countries and made cybersecurity recruit tests for one - with my own ip. Connection was not cut, but became unbearably sluggish and my wife wasn't too happy. But she took the picture of me wit the cardboard gun. She denied me from visiting any more in those agency recruit sites (I understood after visited four that this could be counted as something bad from authorities of my own country and stopped).

After that read an article telling which searches and sites would flag me. There was a big list and I had visited all of them plus many more not in a list but probably flagged.

The worst thing was being paranoid for half a year but then understood that checking me up would make clear in seconds that I am a mere clown without causing any threat to anyone else except myself. So being paranoid was unneccessary but very educdating experience. Made me to learn stuff (like if you are afraid government follows you and you do not want to get more flags do not buy with your own credit card book "How to disappear").

ajalkane 2020-02-14 11:22

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1565341)
I am a mere clown

Please do not sell yourself short. You're a force to be reckoned with. A menacing danger to all that you see as a threat to open source :cool:

Maemish 2020-02-14 11:39

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Sorry. I do not think myself as a clown (like total clown) but more as a jester (a noble and important art). I may though be more like a clown when I think myself being an important jester. And off topic I took this. Back on tracks. Sorry.

muto 2020-02-15 11:32

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
N900, samsung note4, samsung tab s2.

N900 as main phone. Others when need maps, online banking, videoplayer etc.

Wikiwide 2025-02-07 11:34

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
By now, I am moving from Nokia 1.3 to HMD Fusion. Will take me a few months. Before Nokia 1.3, used Nokia E72? Stopped that around the time the memory card (2GB) gave up on me. So Nokia 1.3 was used without memory card, and understandably run out of storage.

ryu1 2025-02-13 07:12

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
I am using this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKSu9LKyYOE

biketool 2025-02-13 12:15

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Upthread I mentioned LineageOS which I have phased out now except one device used to load public transportation NFC cards.
I had a Pinephone(allwinner CPU) when the SIM reader on my N900 died.
Since this year I have upgraded to a Pinephone pro(Rockchip CPU).
The experience on the allwineer CPU pinephone was a hot phone, slow browsing, and short battery life. The Rockchip CPU Pinephone pro is hot and short battery life but works quickly.
The heat and short life can be solved in software once hardware acceleration is implemented at OS level and CPU scaling is properly employed.
There are still things the N900 did better, mostly music playback and audiobooks which I could listen to all day, the Pinephone will get there.
At least we have all FOSS drivers so we can keep moving software and kernels into the future unlike the N900 which still has a few driver issues. The Pinephone FOSS drivers are also not tied to android and libhybris.
The modularized modem(not tied into the system and memory) and paranoia hardware switches(modem, wifi/bt, 2x cameras) are also a cherry on top of a project designed 100% for the user and not a phone company or a nation state.

Wikiwide 2025-02-15 06:20

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1576454)

Looks neat. I still cannot figure out, where are the files for making this qwerty keyboard slider case? I know it's Bluetooth, I would prefer to try USB, but first things first: where are the source files for this?..

Thank you. Best wishes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

sicelo 2025-02-16 17:39

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by biketool (Post 1576456)
the Pinephone will get there.

Unfortunately, the Pinephones are gradually losing out to ex-Android phones (such as Oneplus 6/6T). Less and less hackers work on it. As a result, Mobian nearly dropped all support for it. Even postmarketOS has recently demoted it from the prestigious 'main' category it has been in for years. It is very likely that the next 'main' devices will be the Oneplus 6 or something else with that SoC (sdm845)

Quote:

Originally Posted by biketool (Post 1576456)
At least we have all FOSS drivers

A large part of the PP drivers have been FOSS, yes, but in a manner that is not aligned with Linus' tree. i.e. a lot of those drivers simply could not be accepted into Linus' tree. The situation is a little better now, but there is still a long way to go, and with developers slowly turning away from the device, it will have to be seen how the long-term fate of the PP works out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by biketool (Post 1576456)
we can keep moving software and kernels into the future unlike the N900 which still has a few driver issues.

I am not sure why you would imply that the N900 kernel has not made it to the future ... Considering that you can just clone Linus' tree, and build that kernel with zero patches, and have it boot and work perfectly fine (which you cannot do with either PP model).

I maintain the N900 packaging in postmarketOS, and we really have only one patch for the N900 (to avoid a modem-related kernel oops ... i should actually spend more time on it so we just upstream it). The only non-working drivers/hardware is the Bluetooth (and FM receiver, since that's tied to BT). Everything else is working quite well and is very reliable too.

Of course the PowerVR GPU drivers are not FOSS, but they do work on latest mainline kernels. Instead of the state of drivers/kernel, N900 is simply limited by the aged hardware more than anything else, i.e. you cannot, for example, use it for browsing in any reasonable manner anymore.

For funsies, here's me running Linux 6.14-rc2 on the N900 (on postmarketOS with i3wm and tint2 for a bar)

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ryu1 2025-02-17 08:08

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1576460)
Looks neat. I still cannot figure out, where are the files for making this qwerty keyboard slider case? I know it's Bluetooth, I would prefer to try USB, but first things first: where are the source files for this?..

Thank you. Best wishes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

You mean the 3d files that i used to 3d print the slider?

biketool 2025-02-22 17:03

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sicelo (Post 1576462)
Unfortunately, the Pinephones are gradually losing out to ex-Android phones (such as Oneplus 6/6T). Less and less hackers work on it. As a result, Mobian nearly dropped all support for it. Even postmarketOS has recently demoted it from the prestigious 'main' category it has been in for years. (snip)

Yes, the wierd hardware with good FOSS datasheets but expectations for the community to do all f the dev is a problem. That and expecting the community to do all of the dev work on the CPU scaling leads to not much work on that and unusable as smartphone unplugged. Truth is the N900 getting all of the drivers now(good work!) is a result of reverse engineering old hardware. The Pine stuff is supposed to be open out o fthe box and is supposed to be chosen as such.
Is there full driver coverage for those ex-Android devices or is it libhybris?
I still have problem with using ex-ANdroid as the modem(which is owned by the provider once a SIM is inserted) has direct memory access.

teroyk 2025-02-27 19:15

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynx (Post 1565329)
In the U.S. you pay the same price for service regardless of the device being 3G or 4G, is it different in Europe?

In Europe many places there is not 3G anymore, but there is 2.5G (edge), but you have to pay for 4G connection to get it.

teroyk 2025-02-27 19:27

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biketool (Post 1576456)
The experience on the allwineer CPU pinephone was a hot phone, slow browsing, and short battery life. The Rockchip CPU Pinephone pro is hot and short battery life but works quickly.

Did you use Pinephone (allwinner) with Maemo Leste? Because it is much faster than PostmarketOS. My phone does not get hot, but I have dip switced off wifi/bluetooth and front camera, and sometimes only use two cores. I have Pinephone Keyboard and that extend batterylife enough. Keyboard actually needed to get best points of Maemo. And Maemo is the best OS for Pinephone Keyboard.

Wikiwide 2025-03-01 00:28

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1576463)
You mean the 3d files that i used to 3d print the slider?

Yep. 3D files for the slider, including the arrow keys. Bill of materials, and the like.

Which software do you use for CAD modelling? Because I often regard CAD software as either "useful, but a pain to use" or "pretty but seemingly useless". It's probably a question of steep learning curves and strange use cases. As in, I can open 3D file for mobile phone case in FreeCAD, but then I struggle to import Nokia N900 stylus onto the same stage/into the same file, or rather, struggle to scale it (by factor of 10, was it?)? Because it would be neat to have phone case that can store stylus inside. But then, I would need to figure out a nice, thin-end stylus for capacitive touchscreen, first...

And it's also a question of "Don't forget to take stylus out of phone case every time before you take case off the phone".

Thank you. Best wishes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

ric9K 2025-03-04 11:58

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biketool (Post 1576471)
...
I still have problem with using ex-ANdroid as the modem(which is owned by the provider once a SIM is inserted) has direct memory access.

Hi,
Gosh, I kinda knew/suspected those kind of things but it's scary.
Do you mean: the RAM part of the memory or all the memory?
Who can access that, the phone operator?
What are some good places to learn more on thit subject?
Thanks :)

N900 between 2011(?) and 2022.
Since 2022, SFOS on Xperia XA2.

ryu1 2025-03-05 08:20

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1576500)
Yep. 3D files for the slider, including the arrow keys. Bill of materials, and the like.

Which software do you use for CAD modelling? Because I often regard CAD software as either "useful, but a pain to use" or "pretty but seemingly useless". It's probably a question of steep learning curves and strange use cases. As in, I can open 3D file for mobile phone case in FreeCAD, but then I struggle to import Nokia N900 stylus onto the same stage/into the same file, or rather, struggle to scale it (by factor of 10, was it?)? Because it would be neat to have phone case that can store stylus inside. But then, I would need to figure out a nice, thin-end stylus for capacitive touchscreen, first...

And it's also a question of "Don't forget to take stylus out of phone case every time before you take case off the phone".

Thank you. Best wishes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per aspera ad astra...

Well, as you saw in the video, I made the design in FreeCad and then 3d printed the files. For the arrow keys I used those small click buttons as i have lot of them.

I run FreeCad on the phone using Wine.
In the case of s24u, I made a cut out in the case to be able to easily take out the stylus.
You try to design a case for N900?

Cheers!

Wikiwide 2025-03-06 12:51

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu1 (Post 1576521)
Well, as you saw in the video, I made the design in FreeCad and then 3d printed the files. For the arrow keys I used those small click buttons as i have lot of them.

I run FreeCad on the phone using Wine.
In the case of s24u, I made a cut out in the case to be able to easily take out the stylus.
You try to design a case for N900?

Cheers!

No, trying to design a USB enabled case for HMD Fusion. So that it would have camera lens cover, notice when it's opened and closed, have half-way press camera button, have notification LED, and have stylus. Stylus would have to work with capacitive touchscreen. And have pointy end, for ease of writing and painting. But I have yet to see a ballpoint refill that plays nice with capacitive touchscreen...

And everything is tricky. From choice of materials to tolerances between parts.

Ideally, it would also add wireless charging. But that's another can of worms.

Oh, and flashlight for camera. The default one for HMD Fusion is deliberately dim?

Thank you!

ryu1 2025-03-26 09:01

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1576525)
No, trying to design a USB enabled case for HMD Fusion. So that it would have camera lens cover, notice when it's opened and closed, have half-way press camera button, have notification LED, and have stylus. Stylus would have to work with capacitive touchscreen. And have pointy end, for ease of writing and painting. But I have yet to see a ballpoint refill that plays nice with capacitive touchscreen...

And everything is tricky. From choice of materials to tolerances between parts.

Ideally, it would also add wireless charging. But that's another can of worms.

Oh, and flashlight for camera. The default one for HMD Fusion is deliberately dim?

Thank you!

The way I see it is a 3d printed case with an USB keyboard board inside it. If there is a keymapper for Android that let you map different keys to different actions, camera buttons/cover can be easily added. The LED flaslight could be a standalone LED that takes power from the +/- of the USB pins and could be toggled with a microswitch. Wireless charging should work as long as there is no metal in the way of the receiving coil on the back of the phone, if space allows a smart positioning of the usb keyboard board.

The biggest challenge is the capacitive stylus. It is the main reason I use Samsung phones :) and I find quite weird why there is no other manufacturer that includes active pens inside phones.
As far as I know there is no sharp tip capacitive pen (although I remember I saw some fake samsung galaxy note phones that had sharp tips)

Wikiwide 2025-03-27 20:28

Re: Longtime users: What device(s) are you using today?
 
ryu1: Mostly agree. Except, HMD Fusion doesn't have wireless charging, it only has NFC. So, I would have to add wireless charging myself, and on top of that, try to make its hardware not interfere with NFC hardware.
Also, I got at Officeworks cheap pens that somehow are recognised by touchscreen. Messy - glitter ink left on screen. Not 100% effective. But, sharp tip capacitive touchscreen stylus!


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