Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

Go to your memory card in the file manager or on your computer, and remove the top-level folder called `map` or `maps`. Delete that, then fire up the Maps program again.

I still cannot download Eastern US maps. It goes for an hour or so then tanks about half-way through the download. I have 1 8GB card and one 2GB card, and it will write to the Internal card slot, and I didnt have enough room. :P

But removed the bogus directory, swapped the cards and I should be aces, but it still fails to download the maps. I have been slumming it with my N95s GPS and Maps in the meantime ;)

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

I haven't seen it in any repositories, but the Wayfinder site says:

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

Officially, it means that I don't know enough about Google's or Microsoft's licenses to make a judgement either way. It probably depends on how you use their maps.

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

<rant>
Good God, the Map app is cr@p! I played with it yesterday on a N800 and not only did it crash several times for no apparent reason, it's horribly slow in 2D mode and even worse in 3D (unusable in fact). It randomly hangs for several seconds when asked to perform simple tasks and is quite honestly a horrible application - Nokia won't be getting any money from me to activate the disabled features (I will be getting a N810, and I won't bother with this built-in app).

OK, it's a beta you cry - well yes, the OS is a beta but unfortunately it appears the Map application has been developed by an outside contractor and it's not going to get any further attention at this point in time so it's the real deal. And Map bugs won't be accepted in Bugzilla either. It's Opera all over again folks but a hundred times worse - at least Opera was reasonably good quality closed source software, this Map app just sucks big time and Nokia once again don't have the ability to fix any of the bugs.

Nokia just paid $8bn for Navteq and if this is the best they can do they've just wasted $8bn, I'd rather buy a TomTom and have simple to use, reliable and very usable mapping functionality.

Maemo Mapper looks a far more interesting product to me now - I'd have paid for the additional features in the official Nokia app but the quality simply isn't there in the free features so I'd be a fool to pay for more of the same. Judging by what I've heard about it's development there will be no fixes or improvements any time soon.
</rant>

If you have a problem with the Map application, your best bet is to file a complaint with Nokia Care as Bugzilla is closed for this application - I'll be filing several comlpaints about the Map application to http://www.nokia.co.uk/email as apparently complaints received via Nokia Care are the only way that Nokia management will take any notice of the dross they are now shipping.

Ari Jaaksi spoke about quality being a key focus for future development - I guess someone forgot to tell the contractor who developed this mapping shite.

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

i for one just expected it to work like my navicore kit. I was very happy with the way that software performed for me time and time again.

Why didn't they just straight port that software to os2008 and N810?

Anyone know if the old navicore package will install on a N810?

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Thanks, Milhouse. Most folks here have validated my complaints about the application, but you validated the intensity of my feelings. I was quite frankly amazed at how poorly that application was done. And that Nokia didn't realize it and yank it from OS2008.

-- Mike

Re: Biggest Disappointment: Nav Software
 

My two main reasons for looking at upgrading to the N810 (and participating in the giveaway contest) are - quite understandably - the built-in keyboard and GPS / navigation.

So, I really appreciate everybody's feedback they posted here and in other threads, GPS and general. I didn't expect the thing to be perfect, but it really sounds second rate. Several reports and video of slow GPS locking, map performance, rendering issues, etc. ... and the fact that you have to pay an additional routing tax. It is not necessarily a huge cost, and I understand they leave it as an option without jacking up the base price, but when you can buy $100 - $150 devices that include the maps & routing & voice ... which may very well outperform the N810 ... I have no motivation to pay for routing or voice. If they included that, and charge a small fee for significant map / software updates in 6 months. That's a different story. The other thing is carrying the license over. It seems people that have the current software & GPS kit are left in the cold.

So, anyway, the GPS performance & routing tax has me looking elsewhere for my next UMPC.

I will stick around with my N800 though :)

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I really don't get it myself. I understand that MM is not really navigation software but through all the explanations as to why things are the way there are for mapping software, $$$, etc... to me it all comes down to this:

Old *** Axim x5 with outdated iGuidance and CF GPS receiver
trumps
New Nokia 800 with MM and BT GPS.

Seriously, I have no use for non vector data, internet only mapping. I was in NYC this weekend and my cell phone battery died. The nokia couldn't even locate an address without an internet connection(with stored maps). I wanted to throw the thing in the gutter and dust off my old trusty x5.

Its great to have satellite maps, but most of us need stored road and address data. At least I do. And I would gladly pay the $100 or so that I did for my iGuidance.

Is Navicore worth buying?

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Yes... for the very reasons you mentioned...
And it is a commercial app, and it is not as well developed as TomTom or Garmin...
But, it is the only game in town. Perhaps if we use it and some purchase the navigation features it will develop further or others will take notice and there could be a TomTom or Garmin offered in the future.

It pisses Open Source heads off because they can't easily tweak it like they can other apps available for the Tablets...


However, if you're like me, there are certain apps you want to be "finished" if your going to be carrying around the dang thing. Especially a portable dang thing.

If the fact that it is not "open" bothers someone,
Fine then... they can deinstall the FREE map, POI, and location service and build their own.
They can then tweak and change it to their hearts content. :)

I used both Navicore and M/M with OS2007...
They both have their purpose. I have even run them concurently. GPS went to the app in the foreground but M/M would continue the track and Navicore would simply recalculate the route when they were switched back.

It was nice having Sat views preloaded for my destination on M/M but getting there was left to Navicore.

From what I see of the Wayfinder app, the GUI is improved over Navicore and I'm waiting to activate routing functions with my old Navicore license to see what else has changed.

BTW, If you were able to buy a N800 @ $200 and Navicore @ $99, IMHO you got yourself about the best handheld navigator $299 can buy once OS2008 is fully online. (GPS sold seperately and can be had for another $49. )

On OS2008 I have put about 120 miles on Wayfinder just as a moving map. It didn't hang, stall, crash or show me as being anywhere but where I actually was, during the times I used it.

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To correct my previous post it does appear that n800 navicore owner's license keys will work on 2008 wayfinder; but when wayfinder goes live :/

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Nokia isn't going after that market. They are focusing in on pedestrians, public transit users, and bicyclists. They have released more than a few statements to that effect.