Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

OK. I stop talking about QA.

But that makes it tricky on what we should report and what we should not report as bugs. What level "bug" should I ignore because they will obviously fix before final version?

I guess I need to find the beta software handbook for snarky users..

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

mmmh, a real imap client should download just enough headers to fill the screen, so is modest yet another pop client with imap support bolted in as an afterthought? (just asking, I'm still running os2007).

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

has anyone got it to notify you when a new email is received? I had it working yesterday and had the LED flash and the new mail indicator in the bottom left of screen. But today this is not working anymore :(

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Good idea might be to list the known bugs/issues in release notes... then if someone finds a bug that is not mentioned there it should be reported as a new bug?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

that sounds good. A list of what they are still working on would help us understand the level of completeness.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Bounce! Anyone?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I've been running the software for about a couple of weeks myself and there has been steady development going on. If you want more info about the development and where its going read these two links

http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/

http://www.igalia.com/nc/news/news_d...ash=27dcfe4beb

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I had an odd experience, blue flash to let me know that mails were waiting. Modest Mail only pulled in 1 and I had to use the built in app for the other 2.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

1. Is there a binary?
2. Without support for cached/offline folders in (al)pine, wouldn't the user be better served just logging into a remote host via ssh and running (al)pine there?

I love alpine btw. Thanks to you and yours up there in the treetops of UW.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I figured out how to get the email notification to work again.

I CLOSED the application so that it was no longer running (so I thought)

Anyway, 20 minutes later I got the LED flash and notification at lower left. WTF?! What is still running after I close the app? It looks like it continues to check for emails!!

Anyone else see this?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I guess that this is normal behavior for the built-in mail app?
If you check it to automatically check then it will continue to do so, even if the mail app is closed?
I never used the built-in email app like this before, just did manual checking.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Both the default mail app and Modest have a setting in "Settings..." that controls if mail is automatically updated and how often.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Report whatever you find (just, as always, be sure to search first). At worst, it'll serve as a marker for fixed bugs, and at best, you'll alert the dev to something that may otherwise have been overlooked. :)

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I added two feature requests so far. But it would be nice to know the roadmap to figure out what is already planned or supposed to be done - in the first case there would be no need for a FR, in the second, it would be a bug rather than a FR.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

That's supposed to be the point of tinymail (the library on which Modest is built): it's fully abstracted through an MVC pattern, so headers are only loaded when physically visible (perhaps with some wider view port to support scrolling).

If it's not doing that it's either a) a bug which needs reporting, b) a design decision to break the point of tinymail or c) I've got the wrong end of the stick. Any are possible ;-)

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Observed bug(s):

Modest and the default Mail program seem to be arguing over the automatic download of mail setting; despite having set both OFF, one or both of them still does.

In addition, the default Mail application also loads and downloads mail headers, sets the LED flashing.

I've been experiencing "Too many applications open" dialogs popping up since installing Modest, plus lack of responsiveness of some desktop icons (notably the browser icon).

So I've removed modest for now; but if it would solve my issues to disable the default mail application, I'd be happier to do that and keep running modest. Is there a sane way to go about that?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

/me waves his flags in the direction of http://bugs.maemo.org

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Thanks General,

Great idea. I went to do this, but am a little unsure how to proceed. I didn't see a bug that describes the symptoms above but don't want to open a new bug unless it's necessary. Do you (or any reader) happen to know if a bug has been opened yet! If not, I'm happy to be the first, thanks!

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Bugs is lovely if you already have an id or happen to be able to spend the time waiting for an account email from Maemo.org to make it through spam filters and greylisting, or aren't doing it from the IT itself (and thus able to do a more thorough job not to mention navigating bugzilla more easily).

Posting it here is better than forgetting about it altogether, I figure.

But point taken, I did create an bugzilla account. However at this point I've had to remove modest; if I can disable or fix the built in mail client to prevent it from running / colliding with modest, I'd be happy to reinstall and will report whatever I find.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I'll probably write up a wiki article on this subject at some point (assuming there isn't one available already), but for now:

Modest is a new addition to bugzilla, so there shouldn't be much on there right now. If a keyword search doesn't turn anything up, you can also check using a component search for Modest (Communication:Modest), as there aren't many bug submissions so far.*

If your bug hasn't already been submitted, then you can go ahead and create a new one. Component should be Communication:Modest, then go ahead and fill in all the other fields (IT OS for OS and your device for platform).

The summary and comment fields are probably the two most important fields. Use a lot of keywords when you write your summary (while being clear with the nature of the bug :)), as this is what people search by default.

The comment field is where you write out a full description, expected and actual outcomes, and steps to reproduce (if relevant). bugzilla provides you with a template, which you need to fill in (and edit). Under the "STEPS TO REPRODUCE THE PROBLEM" heading, enter a step-by-step howto guide on how to reproduce the bug (this is very important, as it'll make the difference between your bug being fixed and developers being unable to reproduce the problem). Be very clear here.

The next two headings, "EXPECTED OUTCOME" and "ACTUAL OUTCOME" are where you describe how the software should work and how it actually works due to the bug (Expected: the automatic retrieval setting is off, so Modest will only retrieve mail manually. Actual: Modest retrieves mail regardless of automatic retrieval setting).

The "REPRODUCIBILITY" heading is used to indicate how often the bug occurs (usually "always" is the case). Please remember to delete the "(always/sometimes/once)" selections before you submit your bug. These are only recommendations and should not appear in submitted bugs (even Quim is guilty of this misstep, so I can't really blame people too much for it :D).

The "EXTRA SOFTWARE INSTALLED" isn't always relevant, if you think that something you've installed has had a hand in the bug, then mention it, if not, delete the heading.

The "OTHER COMMENTS" is where you add additional comments, use this for whatever you think is relevant. If you don't use the field, delete it! :)

If you need further clarification on any of the features of bugzilla, please feel free to contact me! :)

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Has anyone tried upgrading Modest to the second public release (2007-51.1)? Both upgrading and clean-installing fails on my N810. Clean-installing actually leaves the package in a broken state.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Installing using apt-get works (becomeroot is needed to gain root accedss). It seems that the Application Installer could not resolve some additioonal dependencies that were not in the original modest release.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I see the same thing with my POP accounts. Both modest and built-in Email are set to NOT automatically check mail but each morning when I check my RSS feeds the LED flashes and I get the beep for new mail!

Did you add a bug for this? I might have to learn how to do it !

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Updated today on N800 beta OS2008 and had no problem. Update went fine, noticed not too much of a difference... the way the emails load seems a little faster, I'm sure other bugs have been fixed.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I finally managed to flash os2008 beta, and modest downloads all headers (unless they think that the wider view port for scrolling should include ~30000 messages ;) )

Well, I don't know which it is, but I filed a bug anyway.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I just loaded it onto my os2008/n800 and it works fine.

What's weird is modest is still running in the background after I close it, and alerts me when I get new mail, but if I click on the alert icon, it loads up the default mail app.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Normal behavior until Modest is integrated into the firmware.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

So there's no way to quit without pulling up a shell? I wondered what was eating my batteries.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

You don't quite understand. Modest is using the same underlying framework as the previous e-mail client. You didn't need to have the e-mail client open to see you had new e-mails. Same thing with modest. It's not actually running.. it's just a small daemon that is checking the e-mails for you.

So no, Modest is not eating your batteries (unless it's at 100% CPU use).

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I have four POP3 accounts, and of those three work fine with Modest. The last account seems to cause Modest trouble when it attempts to retrieve messages. I'm currently trying to determine whether there's a bug/incompatibility in Modest I should report, or if I'm just misconfiguring the settings for this one account in some boneheaded way.

Does Modest write a network log somewhere? If not by default, is there some way of telling it to do so? I've started Modest from the command line, but doing so did not reveal anything useful. I also have the cores Modest dumps when it crashes, but I'm not clever enough to glean useful information from them.

The problem account works fine with Claws-mail, so I know it's not a more general problem of my tablet being unable to reach the POP3 server.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

has anyone else had the issue with modest not recognizing there are attatchemnts on msgs?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I havent had that problem, but I've had a problem with the 200 mail limit. I'll set it to only download 200 messages and it only works for the "inbox" and non of the sub folders when using imap on gmail.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

it wont even download msgs half the time for me , and im a very light email user. and it definitely doesnt jive well with the built in client , as ive installed and uninstalled it twice , i love the finger friendly interface , and the fact that it actually displays ALL of an emails header , instead of cutting it off like the built in client. i dont think i will be installing it again until alot of these bugs are worked out.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Hi,
I just installed modest and setup my gmail account (pop) however when I open HTML email messages it does not render the images, I just get the box where the image would be with an x in it. Am I missing something or is this not ready yet?

Also I dont see any option to save to removable memory, where is this - I do not have a lot of configuration options in the client?

I am using an N800 recently upgraded to OS2008 and a fresh install of modest from the repos.

Thanks


Jeremy.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I don't think modest renders external images. It will render images embedded in the email itself

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

so, advantage of using Modest for POP Gmail would be just the speed??...is it much faster??....I just setup my Jabber and Googletalk and it's nice to have those things built in...so, using the built-in email would be cool as long as it doesnt suck too bad...

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

I just ran an apt-get upgrade on my n810 and I see there are new tinymail libs. Modest uses tinymail correct? Should I upgrade the libs to the latest version?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

so let me get this right , with modest , there is no way to view attatchments?

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

@jgallen23: modest uses tinymail. I can't tell you if you should upgrade or not. But in general you'll want to upgrade a library if there's a new one available, unless there are bug reports.

Re: Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
 

Why does modest pop up new mail messages about email already marked read on another computer with another IMAP client such as Thunderbird? Is this a feature or a bug? An option to disable this behaviour would be greatly appreciated.