Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Yup. It looks like it wasn't included in the .deb.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

There must be a problem with the build system/packaging that means it's not including the binary in the .deb, because I do know it's being created.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Ah, ok, I think I fixed it. There's a new "+test1" version, give it a shot. The binary was being overwritten by a symlink to the binary :-/

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

My problem is that the new build asks for libglade2-0 >= 1:2.6.1 while that on my tablet is 1:2.4.0-1osso2.
Where did you get that?

EDIT it's in extras-devel (needs the red pill) but I have to see the pros and cons of the thing - in particular what it is going to destabilize... :eek: libglade is used by some other soft on my tablet

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Try doing "apt-get update" then "apt-get -f install"; it was in one of the basic repositories on my testing device.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Same problem here. I tried removing the previous version, apt-get -f install, then tried the new one again... same error!

Thanks for your persistence!

Edit: Same issue as debernardis. I'm scared to replace such a fundamental library. I don't have a "testing device". I'm prepared to have AbiWord and all its docs be expendable, but not the whole tablet.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Oh well, I updated libglade while crossing my fingers. The old one was used by evince, quiver and gizmo (plus other stuff) and all seem to work after updating. Phew!
The +test1 version of abiword installs. Invoked from xterm - it runs.
N810 with 2.2007.50-2 operating system.
I am keeping it on some minutes before starting my tests - no crash.
Now opening my test doc, with graphic letterhead and graphic signature... see what happens...

EDIT: from first tests, it seems that a graphic letterhead plus another graphic in the page is too much for this build. Attempts to move a graph or add some text result in the program to take 100% cpu and stall the tablet, at the point I needed to pull the battery to restart.
I'll make more ordered tests and report on bugzilla as required by Ryan.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Thanks for your bravery... not sure why this latest build decided to want a new libglade since I only changed one thing, but who knows. I'm using the latest scratchbox, I wonder if I somehow have the extras-devel libglade instead of the extras libglade. I should probably remove libglade, disable devel, and re-install - does this sound reasonable to people?

[EDIT: PS - those of you who asked to be added to the project, welcome and use your access responsibly! I've commited the build instructions from cleardefinition in an elaborated format in SVN, please feel free to fill in gaps or offer corrections, either through direct commits, patches to the mailing list, or reports and/or patches in bugzilla!]

[EDIT EDIT: I have added a note in the instructions on how to get the older version of libglade, since I don't think it matters to AbiWord. I'm currently reviewing the patch to abiword.desktop.in - I'll commit it when I have it cleaned up - in its current form it duplicates the x-osso-type line...]

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

OK, the libglade dependency issue as well as the starting from the menu issue (thanks ldrn for the patch) have been fixed in pre20080128+test2, now being uploaded. This is getting scarily close to being useful :D

[EDIT: Upload complete. Private beta testers, please try out this version and let me know of any issues, questions, etc. you might have. I can't test it yet, but I'm considering opening the Chinook beta soon if I have good feedback.]

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Great! Installed and running. To get it started right, I submitted a bug which turned out to be a dupe. Doy. I'll be smarter from now on. Maybe.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Heh, me too. <_<; Boy, were my ears red.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

One thing that's not very obvious is the file type. What format does it save as/open? In Windows/Linux that information is in the file dialog, but hildon doesn't seem to show that info.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Yep, that's a known issue brought upon us by the custom Hildon save box: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11142 In "Notes", there is a menu item to select format (plain text or html/rich text). I'd imagine we need something similar in AbiWord, because we can save in a billion formats. Right now, the default is .abw - the AbiWord format - which is the best for working on things. If you want to share with others, copy it to your PC and use AbiWord to "save as" in another format for now.

PS - no worries about the dupes, everybody makes them from time to time, including me. Searching before filing is a good habit to get in to, though - some bugzillas force it, but ours doesn't so one must have a strong will :D

If you want to look at the current list of Maemo-only bugs (as well as those reportedly closed), here it is - please re-test these and see if they exist in the current test version, and make a note one way or the other in the comments if the bug is still open. I'm including the closed bugs in this list to make sure we have no regressions.

http://bugzilla.abisource.com/buglis...tatus=RESOLVED
Do the testers think that we're about ready to open this beta up? (That is, have you lost any data due to the current package, or does it seem relatively reliable?)

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

As a user and not a progammer (and thus, I have absolutely no idea how complex doing this would be), having the default for saving being .RTF makes the most sense to me, because it's a format specifically designed for cross-platform work, and so it is by far the most versatile and useful format.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

i hope i didnt miss a thing. but whats about the solution to decide the save format about the extension...

e.g. when to save in ms word use the .doc extension, when to save in plain text use .txt extension... and so on

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Worth trying, but I don't think that right now we are detecting save format based on extension. It's certainly an option, though - perhaps implementing both the menu and an "automatic" option present the best combined solution.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Well, everyone at Abiword seems *really* nice about it, but I'm definitely going to be very, very careful from now on. ;)


Right now, it does warn you if the save format and the extension don't match -- that might be adapted fairly easily, I'm not sure. I thought I had read that this was done in bugzilla.

It would be more work, but I'm a bit fond of NoteCase's save dialogs; they're custom to the program to start with, letting you name your file and showing you the current folder and letting you select a format, with a folder icon beside it opening the standard save dialog for folder selection.

The table insert thing crashes it, but aside from that, it seems very stable.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

I'm pretty sure the desktop version has an autodetect save format function, so it's probably just a matter of connecting it in the UI and/or making it the default. Thanks all for your bug reports coming in - it's great to get feedback. A few more things to try - load and save documents from various formats. (if you load a file, saving it will keep the same format) Then, look at it in another program, and make sure that no data was lost. (This is called "round-tripping") Try creating some structures, saving them in AbiWord (as an abiword doc - default) then close Abi and start it again, then load the file and make sure it works (also roundtripping)

Ryan

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Speaking as just one potential user, I have no use for the "Abiword" format. No more proprietary formats for me. Text, RTF, and OpenDocument. That's the list of editable formats I intend to use for text, for the last several years and for the foreseeable future. I can export from those to whatever off-the-wall proprietary format someone else needs, on a case by case basis.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

amen ... father bblackmoor

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Yeah I agree with you 100%, I think that's an upstream issue though.

Come to think of it, where's the OpenDocument stuff in the 2.5.x builds? Is that a plugin?

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Yes, and I'm not sure how to package it yet - it might need to be in a separate package. In AbiWord SVN, it's in the module abiword-plugins. (EDIT: I know it's been done, but I think at the time it was pretty hacky. This is a good enhancement request to file, and a good way for someone to help... I am not so great with debian packaging.)

For fancy things (ToC, math, etc) - aka documents in progress - you should always use the native format of the program. For sharing documents, then you export to an interchange format: RTF, ODT, or PDF. At least that's what I've learned working with this sort of stuff for a while :) Don't worry, save as a file format will be there. You can hack around this by putting a blank RTF file on your tablet, then when you want a new doc, open it and do a save-as, which will preserve the format.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Version +pre20080130+test1 now released: update not has a postinst script that does a bunch of things, including asking where you want to put the menu item, but only on the initial install (not on upgrades) - thanks lrdn!

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

OK, well, how's it going with everyone? I've seen a few bugs come in - mostly hangs when doing things, which is kind of odd. When you file bugs, please set the component to Front End - Maemo unless you know that the bug exists on desktop installations of Abi as well. I'm currently testing a patch to re-enable the build on 2007 - we'll see if it works, I had to figure out a bit of M4 and Autoconf to do it, which was a new experience :)

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Maybe it's me but the install procedure seems not too clear. I went to your maemo garage page expecting 'abiword...deb'. Instead I see 'enchant', libwmf, libwv with no indication what it has to do with abiword. I tried to install the latest 'enchant' and 'libwmf' but the application manager both gives a "incompatible application package" error. I have a n800 with os2008 (RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin).

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

If you look at the rest of the thread, you'll see that right now, because of the instability of the package, the beta is private at this time. Send me a PM if you're willing to test. Once we have released, I plan on putting AbiWord and all the dependencies in Maemo Extras, which means a single-click install will work perfectly.

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Oh, what a glorious day that will be!

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

You bet - I can't wait either! I just want to make sure that when it's public, it's polished enough that the contributors get praise rather than flames.

If you promise not to flame and to file bugs instead, you can still volunteer to beta test - just pm me, it's relatively easy to install. I'll need 2007 testers soon.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

I'm so jazzed about the prospect of AbiWord on Chinook that I finally going to buy a Bluetooth keyboard. Thanks for all the effort and I'll be checking everyday for a sign of AbiWord life on the extras repository.

Thanks for all the effort.

Crouching Hamster

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

All beta testers will be receiving an PM explaining how to access the beta of the Bora build (ITOS 2007). For those of you testing that are having trouble installing I have added a readme.txt file to the file location explaining the process of installing - basically libwmf has two binary packages that must be installed in order, and since we aren't using a repository, each package must be installed manually in the correct order.

Ifyou are using Bora and would like to help test, please message me. I can test this build too, but it's late here and I have to find and charge my N800 first. The more eyes, the better!

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Does this abiword release support import of Microsoft Word or RTF documents?

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

RTF, yes. In theory, Word, yes, but the version of iconv included with the tablets is broken, and the version of wv (the Word access library for AbiWord) with the workaround for this brokenness hasn't been released on its own, so I haven't used that part. As such, many word documents will import as all ? (question marks). We know about it, we know the source of the breakage, and there is a workaround, it just hasn't been packaged yet.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Can you tell me more about this workaround, because i believe the problem with iconv is also causing a very similiar problem with the Gnumeric packages (formating in Excel-documents is totally wrong) - at least i have isolated that it might be somewhere inside the iconv_open()-function.


Regards,
Thomas

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

I don't personally know much about it, it's not my area, but here's the bug report with patch.

http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10961

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Thank you very much for the reply. Unfortunately i guess i will have to find a fix for libgsf myself, because the related calls to g_iconv_open() and iconv_open() are inside libgsf.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

don't want to be rude or something, but is there any DEBs or Tarballs to try out Abiword?

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Please read the rest of the thread before posting, at least the last few posts. Right now it's a closed beta to enhance bug reporting, to be completely clear about the status, and to prevent flames. If you'd like access, please PM me.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Ok sorry, I did read about beta and saw on garage the status 4 - Beta but didn't realize that there is a closed beta. Now I got the point, thanks!

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

This thread is so exciting that I got goosebumps reading it. Watching a bunch of guys get together and try to get Abiword compiled... and then seeing Ryan come in and invite them all to try the beta and file bug reports... and then watching development happen, right in front of my eyes... ooooh. This has become a subscribed thread.

I'm really eager for a working version of Abiword, but I can wait until you guys have it stable enough to make the beta public.

Re: Abiword for OS2008?
 

Glad to hear your excitement!

In related news, in trying to help someone with a question (apparently outside of here trying to build Abi - hadn't contacted me earlier in the process before, though, just used my instructions...) I realized there may be an issue with my build environment for Chinook. While this doesn't explain all problems, it might resolve a few installation issues, as well as a few hangs/crashes (which may have not been discovered) - basically, it looks like the Maemo VMWare SDK comes with messed up sources.list files for Chinook (they all say bora!)