Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

@ Godfather - you can get an on screen keyboard from KMenu ->Utilities -> kvkbd

@ PB - I can confirm that KMail now sends mail :)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

here's mr. negative again :)

kmail sends if unsecure; I get sasl error trying to send via
gmail secure smpt ...

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

hmmm, tls was working for send and recieve, but I did not test sasl.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

1) As PCQ mentioned the kvkbd is under utilities menu.

2) Open Konqueror and go to CUPS bookmark, and setup a printer. No step by step here, but the internet is huge, someone probably has the same printer and setup as you?

3) There is no mouse support yet, keep your eye on the mouse_poll project, its looking very promising

4) You must excuse me GodFather, I only provide answers to help you along your journey, I hope I have not offended you GodFather, please dont break my legs :)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

This is the error I get when I try to send via the
gmail smtp server (very useful since it works - if
it works - anywhere in the world):


My kmail gmail smtp settings are identical to my laptops's,
which can send mail via gmail no problem.

Maybe kmail was built without sasl support? But yes, I can
send mail from home via my isp's server.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I will pay penguinbait a bounty to fix this (as in, I was going to donate after I got KDE running, but then had to remove my new N800's battery for the first time - and second time after discovering that logging out of KDE isn't good enough)

Being unable to lock/unlock is a deal-breaker, it keeps the tablet from being a mobile device because I can't pack it to take with me (grumble grumble no metal case grumble) so I can't use KDE.

Also, I would really rather not need to enter a 5-8 character password to unlock the tablet every time I want to use it - the default maemo way isn't great (compared to the 770) but it does work.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I have no idea what you are asking me? You can lock the device using the same way as in maemo? (using the power button) You can also lock the device using lock on the KDE menu, if you are running v2. You can not unlock via the KDE method on a n800 because you have no keyboard to enter the password. You could maybe set the user password to nothing and just hit enter, but I wouldnt recommend it.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Yes, I am talking about "Lock touch screen and keys" but I can't unlock it. I thought that was what you meant before, and it's the problem I wrote about.
I also just realized that it sounds like I was talking about "Lock device" - I just tried that, and has its own problems. That isn't what I meant thought. Sorry for the potential confusion.

I hadn't tried kdesktop_lock. It does indeed work, using an empty password (thank you) (and the fact that I could set it empty means passwd's statement about 5-8 characters is a lie)
However, the KDE lock doesn't do what my goal is: turning off the touchpad and buttons to save battery power when the tablet is in transit.
For that I need the power button screen/key lock to be usable.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Why is your power button screen not useable? It works on my n800 and n810?

Is your problem fixed, I am still confused?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I can't unlock my n800 after I choose "Lock touch screen and keys" from the power-button menu while in KDE.

When I try to unlock it, I press the power button and it says
"Now press [Square]"
when I then press the square select button it says
"Press the following keys one after the other: [Power] and [Square]"
instead of unlocking. It doesn't matter how quickly I press the keys, or even hold them both down, it just won't unlock from KDE or after logging out of KDE until I reboot.

It works fine from Maemo if I have not yet run KDE since booting.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

It works fine for me in both KDE and maemo for both n800 and n810, I think its just you, can anyone else confirm?

Did you create some kind of custom key bindings in KDE. I can confirm it works, Its something on your system as far as I can tell.

Mine works flawlessly, in maemo, then in KDE, then in maemo again without rebooting.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I found it!

You did :-)

The problem was the xmodmap ~/.xmap on startup - as soon as I moved the shortcut to that out of .kde/Autostart it started working. Also that fixed this!
(which was there from the beginning, but I was more distracted by the other problem to think they might be related)

I'll let you know if I run into any more key-related problems.

- David

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Ok... I totally confused by davidgro's problem and fix. When I press the power (while in KDE) button and select 'LOCK' then I get a pop-up window asking me for a code - no matter what I enter, it says incorrect code and refuses to lock the device.

When I select 'LOCK TOUCH SCREEN AND KEYS' everything behaves normally as if I had just used the slidy switch (the one to the far right of the power button) on top of the device. It also unlocks appropriately using the slidy switch.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I don't see a slidy switch on my n800. Is that an n810 thing?
(apparently slidy is also not a word. It should be, and I'll keep using it
EDIT: looks like the google consensus is that the non-word should be spelled "slidey" - 'learn something new every day...)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Can I get some step to step instruction how to install KDE v.2? I dl the files and tried to tar jxvf KDE358.tar.bz2; error, j parameter not allowed. I dl your tar.gz, but dont know how to make it into a tar. Can i use GUNTAR, will it work?


bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I had problen to unlock screen when I lock it by switch on button.
The square button send wrong event.
The solution is simple edit file .xmod and delete event for keycode 36.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

download the tar.gz and bzip2.gz

gunzip tar.gz
gunzip bzip2.gz

Then you will have a tar and bzip2

mv tar /usr/bin
mv bzip2 /usr/bin

in you instructions where it says to call tar, use the usr/bin tar

/usr/bin/tar jxvf KDE.tar.bz2

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

How is your teeth? I hope it is not hurting anymore. Pain is a very distracting thing for the professional.


Thanks for the info. I will give it a try.


bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I did the above, and error message:

I am at root,

/ # /usr/bin/tar KDE358v2.tar.bz2

/bin/sh: /usr/bin/tar: Permission denied

a bad downloaded file, again?

:(

upon ls /, there is a /tar from BusyBox, do I have to get rid of that one first?

Edit: I meant,
/ # /usr/bin/tar jxvf KDE358v2.tar.bz2

Thanks PCQ.

My system
_______________________________________
2007.50-2 N800 4G int boot/2G partition/rootfs /8G ext 2G

bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

where's your jxvf? Re-read Penquinbait's post.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

jxvf is a parameters, it does not reside anywhere, perhaps? I only type the /usr/bin/tar, it already gave me Permission denied. Maybe the tar I made is not good?

Thanks PCQ.


Edit: I see. I typed in the right stuff, but translated to my thread wrong. Me bad.

I typed,

/usr/bin/tar jxvf KDE358v2.tar.bz2 and it gave

/usr/bin/tar : Permission denied.


bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Try

chmod +x /usr/bin/tar

chmod +x /usr/bin/bzip2

re-run command (sorry)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I thought about that last night. However, i thought +x is only need for .sh script. I will give it a shot when I am home. Thanks again for the great apps, I cant wait to try this on N810 with a keyboard.




Edit: It seemed working, still cooking.......its been quite awhile 30min?

Edit: Got it. Up and running on N800. I took the microSD out and snapped on an N810, OMG, it is faster and prettier (I know it is the same OS). Thanks, PGB.



bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

As usual, I made a step by step instructions, mainly for myself in case I have to do it again some time in the future. This v2 in fact is easier to install compared to the previous one.

Step by step KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (SD Boot)
______________________________________
I am using a 4G SD card, internal (open battery cover for access, mmc2 for N800, or external mmc1 for N810 behind kick stand). First make a SD Boot card, AKA MMC boot, or clone the OS. A step by step guide, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...+clone&page=30, thread #292. One can copy everything on that thread except partition size. KDE installation requires more than 2G OS space (I know PGB instruction said 1.5G, maybe for fresh OS. My 1st trial of 1.8G OS ran out of space!), KDE itself may use 1.5G, but the installation seems to use more.

For a 4G SD card, the following partition should be fine:

sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -uM
0,1500,0C
,,,
(return)
(return)

This partition 1.5G fat32 storage (mmcblk0p1) and 2.3G OS (mmcblk0p2) for KDE installation, YMMV. If your system is relatively fresh, dont have a lot of apps installed, you may increase on your fat32 storage p1 and decrease on your p2. But again, if you cut p2 too much, KDE installation runs out of space, you will have to repeat all over again.



Assume all is well, you are now booting from your 4G SD card internal on a N800 running 2008Os (2007.50-2) and you checked there is ~2 G OS on /rootfs:
DiskUsage, Ctrl Panel>Memory>Device mem avail, whatever you can use to check.

1) http://www.tablethacker.com/kde.html,
dl KDE358v2.tar.bz2, SUPv2.tgz, tar.gz, bzip2.gz, ALL 4 files dl to default folder, the document folder (~/MyDocs/.documents/)

Must check file size before proceed further;
xterm
ls -l (letter L, not numeral 1)
KDE358v2.tar.bz2 --- 323708010
SUPv2.tgz --- 24451563
tar.gz --- 229859
bzip2.gz --- 70348

2) xterm/sudo gainroot (I think you can put 2 files in one command. I think. That would save you 50% of typing :) ).
cd ~/MyDocs/.documents/
gunzip tar.gz
gunzip bzip2.gz
mv tar /usr/bin
mv bzip2 /usr/bin
chmod +x /usr/bin/tar
chmod +x /usr/bin/bzip2

3) cd /
/usr/bin/tar jxvf KDE358v2.tar.bz2 (25 min or more)
/usr/bin/tar zxvf SUPv2.tgz (5 min or more)

4) enjoy.


bun

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Sorry, I have been real busy guys, most of my spare time renting and looking at vehicles. I have made my decision now, and should have my new vehicle tomorrow. Hopefully I will have some time to spend on KDEv2 debs very soon..

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Using this post as a reference (and the ones following it) I tried removing the entry for event code 36 (I think it was 36) but that doesn't solve this problem. Though if I remove the ~/.xmap file, wouldn't that destroy the keybinding I have for moving windows (the vol down buttons on the n800) so I can move windows around to access the rest of most dialogs?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I have been wondering what ever happened to the debs, I had removed version 1 because it changed the fonts on the default browser and made some websites like Yahoo mail hard to login in/off of

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I think it all depends on how you assigned your keybindings. If you used Xmodmap to assign the bindings then I believe that deleting the .xmap will get rid of all key changes. If however, you assigned the key bindings using KDE's Control Center (either Input Actions or Keyboard Shortcuts) then you should be ok.

FWIW, I haven't had problems with Xmodmap (or the .xmap file) on my N810.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

There's another thread just started in the past few days - PB has said he's going to start working on the new debs now. :)

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I found, when downloading the KDE tar.gz files from tablethacker.com that I needed to use wget, so when the download stopped working (about three times for the big file), I could just break (Ctrl-C) and start the download again with wget -c to resume downloading.

I also had the problem with screen lock. It is important to note that I'm fairly sure that this is AN N800 PROBLEM. We don't have a slid[e]y switch. Moving the xmodmap.desktop file out of .kde/Autostart as described here did the trick. Removing the KP_ENTER stuff from after "keycode 36 =" in the ~/.xmap file as stated here does NOT work. It simply made the square button useless for everything.

I also have the problem that when I hit the Home button to get right-click, it works to turn the right click ON. But then I can't turn right-click OFF again. My clicks get stuck in right-click mode, even after exiting KDE. I have to reboot to regain left-click again.

EDIT: I figured out the broken right-click.
I went into Menu->Settings->Regional & Accessibility->Input Actions->Menu Editor Entries->K Menu - kde-swmb.desktop then Delete Action.
Then, using instructions found in PinCushionQueen's post (and a quick search to find where the script actually lived), I created my own group, created my own action, assigned it to the Home key (F5) and in the "Menu entry to Execute" field, I put /usr/bin/swmb.sh ... and it works great now!

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Are you using USA layouts?

I just installed to my n800 via my shiny new kde-installer deb. The right click button worked fine. Press home once and it toggle right click, press again and it toggles back to left click. Also the lock works fine on my n800???

I am guessing you are not using USA layouts, the xmodmap is made for USA layout, I think this is what causes some people problem??

Could this be your issue?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I am using the non-deb, boot-from-SD, V2 version, downloaded this morning from TabletHacker.

I am from Canada, so it may be as you feared. We generally use British English spellings, so, when given the choice, I tend to set my language to en-CA or en-GB, but my keyboard layout is usually set to US. But I don't think the tablets have a keyboard layout option, so I probably selected en-GB and then I had to fight with the tablet about what country I'm actually in (yes, I do want Pacific DST!).

However, the solutions I found worked for me, and if they work for you too, you should probably change new versions to work my way so that the few weird ones like me don't have these problems.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

How do you "Tab" and make the | symbol in KDE???

This is the reason for the xmodmap. Perhaps I need a US version os SUP and a version for everyone else?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Both Tab and | (pipe) work fine on my KVKbd. Well, the pipe is a bit finicky; I have to press Shift a few times to get the \ key to properly do the | symbol. But there's no problem with Tab from the virtual keyboard.

But maybe I misunderstood you.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Here's a fun screenshot of (doublesized) XMMS playing radioparadise.com in the current default theme of Maemo KDE. Well, not entirely default, I moved the bar to the left side of the screen and I chose a pointer that didn't pulse redly at me all of the time.

Notice that I made an icon for the keyboard. I show what the virtual keyboard looks like in this picture of AltPublishr on the N800.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2075/...a38c811b_o.png

As I point out in my comments on Flickr, "The irony is that I couldn't upload this picture to Flickr from Konqueror; I had to exit back to Maemo and upload from the MicroB browser."

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

I am wondering perhaps I need to split n800 and n810 installs? I dont use kvkbd and I need tab and pipe on my n810 hardware keyboard. the xmodmap make Fn+< = pipe and Fn+> = tab on the n810 hardware keyboard.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

How about a base install with no xmodmap, and then a little US-n810 add-on install that only installs xmodmap?

Is the right-click problem and solution also related to xmodmap? When I pointed directly at /usr/bin/swmb.sh it worked fine.

EDIT: By the way, why doesn't the KDE icon work in the Hildon menu?

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Where can i get KDE ver 5x files so i can test it out ?

Computerfreek

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Probably is. Think your idea of a another deb to install is not a half bad idea. Perhaps I go the other way and make a final deb to remove the xmodmap for N800's and people who are not using USA layouts...

Once the install process is hammered out, I will be updating the installs to fix these issues.

Re: KDE3.5.8 v2 Beta Testers (Boot from SD users)
 

Interesting... I installed a bunch of python packages in red pill mode, and when I went to my menu, the KDE icon had appeared! I wonder if this was caused by red pill mode or by me installing the python packages?