Re: Windows Emulation on N800 running OS2008.
 

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Re: Windows Emulation on N800 running OS2008.
 

Just fyi, expect DOSbox 0.72 on 400mhz OMAP2420 to run between 8mhz 286 and 16mhz 386 speed.

Since it emulates an entire PC, your speed will vary dependent on what subsystems are active and used.

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Windows Mobile would be nice! And should also be possible by running a firmware from let's say HP or HTC

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Er, why not just buy an IPAQ or HTC then? The hack value of running Windows 95 I can understand, but not Windows Mobile.

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Er I don't want to mess around with ActiveSync and moreover not with Missing Sync on OS X or PocketMac, but want to have some funny games and a good office suite on my Internet Tablet.

And do you know any HTC/iPAQ with an WVGA Screen and stereo speakers?

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The only reason I'm keeping my Axim X5 with Windows Mobile 2003: Hot Death Uno! :D

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gentux: If you run windows mobile on the N8x0 there's no reason to believe it would work in better than 320x240 resolution (or, possibly, with e.g. an IPAQ 4700 version, in 640x480).

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what about Toshiba Portégé G900?

And is it only me who wants to run some, just some WinCE Apps on WinMobile? I want to have the timetable on the tablet without online connection and that software is only available for Windows, Windows Mobile and Symbian.

EDIT: Oh and @OSEmuTech: I prefer playing UNO offline, I have those cards in my bag all the time :D

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Now all we need is for someone to make a maemo port of stargus.. Wink Wink.. I definitely wouldnt mind Starcraft or any blizzard games on my n800.

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I guess that startctaft engine port wouldn't just magically compile on the IT huh?

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No but I think porting over with the SDK woudn't be a problem for the devs.

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stratagus (the engine stargus uses) has a build for Debian armel. That should mean it's not too hard to compile in scratchbox. However, stargus doesn't look playable yet...

-John

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Yes: http://sourceforge.net/projects/palmdosbox, but that's more Garnet VM, which is actually ARM.

The first OS2008 did, but there's a good reason why not - it shows your passwords in plain text...

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i just want a real browser with an "internet explorer" type experience...
i hope i don't need to run windows 95 to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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try out minefield. With Windows 95 you get IE 5.5 as max. With 98 you get IE 6. Or try out Basilisk with OS 7.5.3 and some IE, works way faster and you get your feeling.

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Microb is a more real browser than anything you can run on 95...

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im thinking mabey, if you got IE6 or 5.5 then you could use shockwave?

am i right?

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hmm I don't want to think about the speed of a shockwave application in a Emulator on a ARM-based computer. I mean Win95 is slow and deprecated, just as 98 and every Webpage which uses proprietary crap like ActiveX or Shockwave isn't worth visiting. I'm surfing around with Safari and on the Tablet I have the same experience.

So the only reason legit for Windows on a Tablet would be a compiled program which runs solely on Windows and doesn't use much ressources.

That's just my opinion.

EDIT: And of course for Hacker's sake, it's just cool to get something like this working.

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A Windows Emulator would be nice if WORD, and POWERPOINT docs could be utilized. They are the only things missing for me on the tablet.

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If anyone doeesnt mind taking the time i wouldnt mind a starcraft emulator. By the way OSEMUTECH hows the website coming?

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Full Ack! Although KDE is a usable solution there.

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Sorry, I am just getting over bronchitis and was very sick in bed for a week (Thursday I was finally well enough to go back to work thanks to antibiotics and codeine cough syrup).

Instead of the website I've been messing around with the much faster Macintosh emulators I built in Scratchbox the last two nights.

Like I said, it will probably take a few weeks for the website and will probably include my observations on DOSBox, Qemu, Bochs, Basilisk II, Mini vMac, Pear PC, and (hopefully) SheepShaver (anyone know of any other operating system emulators that run on NITs? Garnet VM maybe.). I need time to experiment with the emulators on my N800 to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Are you waiting on me for a step-by-step instructions on installing Windows 9x in DOSBox? :p

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instead of emulation I got a easynote XS from Packard Bell. That's a cool device running XP. It makes my family of Mobile Devices complete!

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I wouldn't mind some clearer instructions than I've been able to pick up in this thread and the links from it so far.

This is my understanding to date (please supplement / correct where wrong!):

- DOSBOX provides an emulated PC virtual machine with an Intel processor (8086? 80286? 80386?), SiS video chipset, SB16 sound card and other common devices, so should be capable of running any Microsoft o/s that would run on that machine, e.g., DOS, Win 3.1, Win 9x. There seems to be some doubt about Win98?

- Performance reports range from poor to acceptable, depending on who's posting. The difference may be how the configuration file dosbox.conf file is optimized for the platform and the applications. A couple of people have posted their dosbox.conf, and there's one at the above-referenced site, but don't know which one is "best" for the N800. Maybe one has to be prepared to tune for specific applications? Where are the parameter descriptions and suggestions on how to tune?

- We can download DOSBOX for Maemo from here: http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html. Should we use the "N800/N810 optimized testing build", which I assume is a variant of DOSBOX 0.72? Or dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb? Or a different version?

- For some reason the gz contains just a file called Dosbox which does not appear to be an executable program, so you have to go to shell root mode and mark it executable yourself after copying to the device (why????). Is that still true if you install the .deb version? May need some libraries, which I think can be found at the above-referenced site? Do these need to be installed manually? In red pill mode?

- You have to run DOSBOX from a shell command line (in root mode? or not?). The dosbox.conf file you want to use has to be in the current directory.

- DOSBOX doesn't access the N800s built-in keyboard popup, so you have to install the "xkbd virtual keyboard" as well, or have a bluetooth keyboard. You need to start xkbd at the same time as dosbox on the same command line. There's a mapper.txt (key mapping file) - how is it used? Where does it go? Is it part of xkbd or not?

- DOSBOX doesn't show up in the N800s task list, so if you minimize the window it gets lost, and you have to find the process ID to kill it. (How do you exit cleanly? Is there any other way to get rid of it?)

- Before you try installing a Windows o/s, DOSBOX starts out with ...? Nothing? A version of DOS? You have to install Windows from your own install disks before you can use it.

- The main setup difficulty is apparently to create a bootable disk image from which you can run the Windows setup within DOSBOX. Many of the instructions deal with this, depending on whether you are starting from a CDROM or floppy disks. Some have suggested that it may be easier to install the Windows version of DOSBOX on your PC, install the operating system image there, then transfer the file to your N800 (how? what file? or is it a directory of files?)

- From within DOSBOX you can use the Mount command to mount directories from the N800 file system (including SD cards) as virtual drives.

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lots of questions, this one I may answer, the permissions are lost if you package the file the "wrong" way. And if a file is executable or not depend on its permissions. You shouldn't come across this if you install the .deb. The only library needed is SDL. And yes you find it there.

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Sorry that I can't answer all of your questions completely at the moment. I don't have access to my N800.

I used DOSBox running on Windows XP to install Windows 95 (a,b OSR2, & c OSR2.5) and Windows 98 (First Edition) on an image file following the directions given on the following webpage:

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopi...bb8d253a101742

I then copied the img file over to my SD card and setup the dosbox.conf to boot off the image file (directions for booting off an image are in the link above).

The deb installer puts the executable in a directory (/usr/bin ?). To replace it with the updated dosbox, you need to sudo gainroot and overwrite the one in that directory with the one in the gz (mv /media/mmc2/dosbox /usr/bin ?). Then give it execute permission (chmod +x /usr/bin/dosbox).

The dosbox.conf you want to use should be it the directory that your terminal is in, or you can specify the path to a customized one you create to use (dosbox /media/mmc2/dosboxgames.conf). You don't need to be in root mode to run dosbox.

If installed, xkbd launches automatically when dosbox is launched. You can run alternative xkbd layouts with DOSBox by using a pipe (xkbd -k /media/mmc2/mykeyboard.xkbd | dosbox)

DOSBox comes with a basic open source version of DOS, compatible with MS-DOS.

You can leave DOSBox's DOS cleanly by typing "exit" at the DOS prompt. To exit it uncleanly, you can use CTRL-c at the terminal prompt that dosbox was launched from.

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Sounds like the issue is with how OSEmuTech suggests replacing the installed copy of Dosbox with one set up on PC Windows.

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These questions indicate you should not be testing dosbox.

The next dosbox.deb release will fix your issues.

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Really? Past experience makes me think that would be miraculous, given that Linux developers aren't generally noted for their documentation skills. :D

But I'd be happy to wait a bit if there's going to be an improved .deb soon. How long do you estimate it's going to be?

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windows mobile emulator would be nice

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hey guys,

personally, i'd like to have :
1) a windows mobile emulator. my old acer n311 (VGA, 400mHz, 64 Ram/128ROM) had some soft that nokia lacks:

a) microsoft office (is an openoffice port possible?) - Many documents distributed at my college are in doc format :(
b) notes application: a program where you could create ONE SINGLE NOTE and type (bluetooth keyboard) as well ad draw (handwriting) in the same document. note: I use Maemopad+, and though the tree note system is nice, the restriction in the length of the graphical note deceives me.
c) SpaceTimeCalc - a powerful calculator tool that had the capacity to resolve limits, derivatives, integrals, as well as tracing 2D/3D plots

2) the third part of my complaints may actually be resolved. As posted earlier in this topic, someone was able to run Maple 5 on maemo (with an emulator of course). HOW?
I beg you to tell me the secret; it will incredibly ease my life!
PLEASE!

thanks in advance.

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@iliaden

point 1b. try xournal - you get top quality handwritten and typed notes, plus the ability to annotate pdf files and export to pdf. It's addictive as the etch-a-sketch screen you might have had when you were a kid :)
point 2. go get the basilisk ii mac (68k) emulator & install on it applications as you like - including maple if you have it. Basilisk tgz packages and install notes are in the same thread with maple pic.

Have fun!

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thanks for the advice, but I have os2008, and xournal wont install, not even in red pill mode, so this option is not even considered as a solution.

and thanks; I didn't know the name of the emulator.

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@iliaden: xournal works well on os2008, even better than os2007, because the version that Anidel ported for chinook has text input from the keyboard, too. Find the right thread and follow instructions. (of course this is noise in a thread on windows - sorry)

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isn't there a simple, single installation file that can be used to install a windows 95 emulator on the nokia n800?

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Well, technically, there isn't a Windows emulator for the tablets at all; there are emulators that will run assorted software packages, including Windows 95. In any case, it's rather unlikely there will ever be a "single installation file" for an emulator + Windows 95. Microsoft has some peculiar ideas on how its software should be distributed.

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There is a post somewhere on this forum where someone actually loaded Windows 95 under the DOSBOX emulator. He said that it was much too slow to be usable. In fact just running older DOS programs in DOSBOX are a little slow, but at least some of those are fairly usable, like some of those good old VGA games.

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Has anyone had this working? mabey they could make a vid

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dosbox is a good choice
I like starcaft very much.