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I'll take that as a no. Which means it doesn't fulfill my statement.

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that means that I didn't try it because I don't need it and I was just trying to help !

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I just recently got an HTC Titan phone thru sprint (called the sprint mogul), and after about a month of using it, I have decided to sell my n770 IT. The mogul is better at everything except screen resolution. But with 3rd party browsers that have decent zoom functionality, like opera mini and netfront, browsing on the smaller device becomes much easier. Evdo speed is pretty good, and the upcoming rev A format is supposed to improve it even more.

it comes with PIM software that syncs up with outlook and other programs, so I can easily schedule appointments and events. it has a wifi switch, so I can get faster browsing if I'm in a hotspot, and after I upgraded the OS, I now have integrated GPS which works with google maps and 3rd party gps software like iGo or tomtom.

I downloaded tcpmp media player, and it plays just about every avi, mpg, flv, wmv, etc file smoothly (as well as stream youtube video). I have a 4gb miniSDHC card in it right now, which is more than what I could get with the n770.

The only reason I got this phone is because I was able to get a special referral plan that includes unlimited text and data + 500 minutes for $30 a month.

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I have spint and the same 500 minute SERO plan that above poster has and I have the N810. I get the unlimited text and data also and it works great with the N810.

Now I have never touched the N800, N770 or the Mogul so I cannot compare them. Personal preference is fine but you cannot compare a 770 to a mogul and say the mogul is better than an 810. Now I realize you did not say that but you kind of implied it. The N810 does most of the things you describe save play all media formats.

FYI the N810 does wifi and bt like the mogul and I can leave my tablet home and carry only my small cell phone if needed.

This whole thread is why this message board needs its own telephone sub forum as there ae people who still have no idea what BT is, how to set it up etc. Maybe someday.

You didn't say what you paid for the mogul but (again IMHO) if it wasn't free or close to free a 810 may have served you better.

Final word from me on separate vs all-in-one: In two years if I go to another carrier I can still use my N810. Your mogul will be useless on another carrier.

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All in one; if designed right those issues many of you speak about of usabiltiy, etc. would be handled just fine.

My current setup is N75/N800 and this works, but I more often prefer the versatility of the smartphone unless doing some browsingcentric tasks (one could argue that its a wash with both those devices). As I become more mobile-centric, I look at having something that's iPhone/N810 like, but contextually smart (Nokia Morph).

From there, these are all lifestyle devices, and your lifestyle will dictate what works best for you.

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No I didn't. I clearly stated "n770" in my post - more than once.

perhaps. I never used bluetooth with the 770 because my old cell phone didn't support it. I now use it with the mogul to support an earpiece in the car.

$199 with a new sprint contract.

I was with the same carrier (ATT) for 8 years before I switched a month ago. I don't see myself switching anytime soon. And in 2 years, I will be eligable for another phone upgrade, and will probably want a newer/faster/better model anyway.

For me, the mogul is a better solution. I always have it, and I use it much more often than the n770. Not to mention its much easier to customize it with 3rd party software. No more repositories, or hacking in xterm to get things to work. I'm not doubting that the 810 is a marked improvement over the 770, but I wasn't willing to pay $400+ for a browsing device just yet. I had actually decided to wait and see what other IT's were coming in in '08, but this deal with the mogul came up, and I took advantage of it.

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If the mogul is $200 ( w 2yr contract after $100 mail in rebate - regular price $549 ) and you are paying... how much a month to use all the advanced features? $20, $30, $40? Even at $20/month you are talking almost $500 over the $200 during the course of your 2-year lock-in.

That's $700 easy just for the device ( that can't be used on any other network ) and the service to make it work. You still have to shell out for a phone plan and any other add-ons.

If may work for you, but don't pretend like you are not paying for convenience just like an iPhone user.

Sprint does have some good deals on occasion, but read howardforums.com sometime to hear the horror stories of people who have never once gotten a correct bill or have been told 6 answers by 6 reps over the course of 24 hours. When it works great, but when something goes wrong Sprint can be a nightmare.

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Gah I hate when people factor service into the price of a device.

If you're tethering your Nokia Tablet, you're paying the same if not way more to have mobile internet. Legally speaking, with the Tablet you're supposed to be paying tethering service which is astronomically higher ($75+/mo). Whereas iPhone service is $20/mo.

Now I realize there is people that don't use mobile services, but I would imagine the majority DO tether.

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ToS violations aren't legal issues. Grounds for the carrier to drop you, sure, but it's certainly not criminal.

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When you buy a "smartphone" or other advanced gadget from a carrier, you must take into account and deal with the surcharge they impose.

With the Nokia I'm free to use whatever connections I can and I can jump from carrier to carrier ( many pre-pay ) that offer unlimited data for a fixed daily rate and only pay when I need it. Page Plus allows qnc for free, it's 14.4, but it's free. InPulse allows for EVDO data for $1/day. Boost allows for 1x network access for .35/day. STI allows unlimited data for .19/day. It's doubly useful when I think of the tiny amount of time I will be spending away from a WiFi ap. I might use it 5 times a month when I'm out and about and need a quick answer.

I don't use a lot of minutes so I have dumped the contracts. It just does not makes sense to spend $40/month after taxes for the cheapest post-pay plan when I can pay, on average, less than $10/month for only the services I use.

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Well, if we're going to nitpick: Agreements between contractants count as law between them, unless they're overruled by higher laws.

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Is it really free? (aside from $10 every 4 months or whatever to keep the account active)

I seem to remember reading someplace that it went against minutes.

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Nope, free and no minutes used. This will probably change at some point in the not so distant future once they finalize and announce their own data plan ( which has been hinted at for a year or more ).

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nope. I have their SERO plan. $30 a month flat fee for 500 minutes, UNLIMITED text and data. So I'm actually saving money, because I was paying $40 a month for my old cell phone with AT&T, and I didn't even have a data plan with that. so that's an extra $120 a year in my pocket. in less than 2 years, the mogul has paid for itself!

not really. the mogul has wifi, so in the event I'm somewhere in the world where I can't get cell reception, I can flip the wifi switch and browse the net at starbucks or some other hotspot. just like you'd do with an internet tablet. but what if you aren't near a hotspot with your internet tablet? This happened to me when I took the device to mexico. unless you have a seperate cell phone and data plan to tether to, you are SOL.

lol what? last I checked, convenience is a good thing. and I'm actually paying less for it, so its a win-win situation for me.

I called the customer service line for my old cell phone maybe 2 or 3 times over the 8 years I had it, so its not like thats a big factor for me. And for $30 a month, I'd be willing to put up with their customer service reps. In fact, they transferred my old cell phone number over to the new phone TOO quickly - before I got the new phone. so they credited my first bill $25.

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T-Mobile tethering is $0/mo. (you pay the same data fees whether you're on a smartphone or a laptop tethered to a dumb-phone)

T-Mobile unlimited web is $6/mo. (whether you're on a smartphone or not)

T-Mobile unlimited total internet is $20/mo. (whether you're on a smartphone or not)

My point being: your criticism depends on the carrier, and the one you specifically give seems to match AT&T's numbers ... where AT&T is just about the worst case in this arena.

For Sprint (the case in question), it's $40/mo to do unlimited phone-as-modem/tethering, not $75/mo.

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Yes, almost. But you don't need to go through the cellphone wizard, because PAN doesn't require dialup connection data (your phone handles this for you).

No, it's not supported by Nokia. It's in the maemo-extras repository, where many 3rd party apps are.