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Texrat 2008-03-28 22:13

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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 161737)
So you mean the hardware upgrade is going to come sooner than that?
Well if that is true..... i am a little happier.

!

I never said that.

I am getting out of the teasing business. It doesn't pay, the hours are long, and people guess funny. :p

krisse 2008-03-28 22:19

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Originally Posted by igor (Post 161718)
OMAP is no x86

I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to processor models, you know these things much better than I do. :) I just meant the general push towards processors being as fast as possible isn't the whole picture, as mobile devices have size and battery considerations as well.

For example if they could make something that worked like the N810 but in an ultra-slim ultra-small package with the same size screen but no border around it, I bet that would increase sales more than a processor upgrade. Small size would have appeal even to non-technical people and casual users, and it would make the tablet far more "sexy" even if it didn't actually add any functionality.

sjgadsby 2008-03-28 22:21

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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 161721)
...which i think hints at the cpu upgrade coming with the omap3 chips.

As the General has already posted, Texrat has previously confirmed that, as much as that smirking rat ever confirms anything. Texrat has also previously made clear that the WiMAX tablet wouldn't bring any real surprises. The following tablet though, he felt would forcibly remove our stockings.

Benson 2008-03-28 22:29

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 161717)
If CPUs only got more powerful at the cost of power usage, then we'd need small nuclear reactors to run modern machines at the power efficiencies of 70s "PCs". :p

You mean like this (and following)?

igor 2008-03-28 22:30

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Originally Posted by krisse (Post 161746)
I have absolutely no technical knowledge when it comes to processor models, you know these things much better than I do. :) I just meant the general push towards processors being as fast as possible isn't the whole picture, as mobile devices have size and battery considerations as well.

That's not generally true. What i meant saying that OMAP is no x86 is that Intel has generated this false idea that running a processor at high frequency _has_ to turn it into a small stove. Of course there are heat problems, but certain architectures are much better suited than others to deal with them. OMAP3 for example is highly partitioned and provides a good granularity for switching off or at least keeping in clock stop mode those modules that are not actively used.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krisse (Post 161746)
For example if they could make something that worked like the N810 but in an ultra-slim ultra-small package with the same size screen but no border around it, I bet that would increase sales more than a processor upgrade. Small size would have appeal even to non-technical people and casual users, and it would make the tablet far more "sexy" even if it didn't actually add any functionality.

Well, unless olographic displays or head-mounted displays become common, a large screen is still necessary to comfortably browse the net. Same goes for the keyboard. It can be done, but then the definition of internet tablet would hardly apply.

krisse 2008-03-28 22:36

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Originally Posted by igor (Post 161750)
That's not generally true. What i meant saying that OMAP is no x86 is that Intel has generated this false idea that running a processor at high frequency _has_ to turn it into a small stove.

All I meant was that higher processor speeds mean more power consumption. If you can slow the processor down, the battery will last longer, which is how some mobile phones manage to save a lot of power.

I wasn't trying to start a serious debate as I'm really not qualified to discuss processors, I was just trying to raise the points about battery life and physical size being just as important as speed and perhaps more so.


Quote:

a large screen is still necessary to comfortably browse the net.
Absolutely, but the border around the screen is not needed, and neither is the thickness behind it.

Texrat 2008-03-28 22:40

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 161747)
The following tablet though, he felt would forcibly remove our stockings.

Indeed. I recommend not wearing any.

sachin007 2008-03-28 22:41

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 161763)
Indeed. I recommend not wearing any.

When? is the question. But dont bother i know you cant answer that.

Benson 2008-03-28 22:42

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Some border around the screen is necessary, as I don't want my screen being broken. Bezels FTW!

salomc 2008-03-28 22:53

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I think everybody already knows it, but I found this in the description of OMAP3:

Software-compatible with OMAP™ 2 processors

Does it mean the transition to the next generarion tablet is gonna be a lot easier than N770 - N8xx?

Benson 2008-03-28 22:55

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It seems likely that it will, though I'm not in a position to know. Nokia could always switch endianness just for fun.

sjgadsby 2008-03-28 23:03

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 161763)
Indeed. I recommend not wearing any.

T'would be easier if you could arrange a summer release. Northern hemisphere, please, in case you have ideas of being slippery that way. Those upside down people can fend for themselves.

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-28 23:12

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Originally Posted by salomc (Post 161771)
Does it mean the transition to the next generarion tablet is gonna be a lot easier than N770 - N8xx?

CPU transition really wasn't the issue, the API breaks were.

Mara 2008-03-28 23:26

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 161747)
As the General has already posted, Texrat has previously confirmed that, as much as that smirking rat ever confirms anything. Texrat has also previously made clear that the WiMAX tablet wouldn't bring any real surprises. The following tablet though, he felt would forcibly remove our stockings.

Finally someone who has paid attention to right details... ;)

speculatrix 2008-03-28 23:42

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there's still plenty of life in the n800/810 architecture... IF nokia actually used the video chips effectively (with proper drivers), and the memory bandwidth to the video display were fixed.

however, I'm all in favour of the wimax model as a step forward. I was always a bit suspicious of the claim of lack of room in the n810 which prevented dual full-sized SD slots, wondering whether there was reserved space for something else.

sadly, as someone previously pointed out, wimax is a distant dream in the UK, with only very small local trials.

Texrat 2008-03-28 23:46

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 161778)
T'would be easier if you could arrange a summer release.

If I even hint at anything else you'll have to arrange my release.

st5150 2008-03-29 00:00

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Excuse the rookie question, but wimax access is nearly always a paid service, and rare to find correct?

vbrilon 2008-03-29 00:13

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 161717)
But, yeah, I, too, am ready for a real generational upgrade (OMAP3! OMAP3! OMAP3! texrat has already as much as confirmed it.

Really? Where?

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-29 00:22

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Originally Posted by vbrilon (Post 161811)
Really? Where?

I can't be arsed to dig up the posts, and I'm sure my own personal bias played a roll my interpretation of them but, uh . . . hrm—texrat hasn't said anything! He's innocent! I swear it! :D

sjgadsby 2008-03-29 00:34

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Originally Posted by vbrilon (Post 161811)
Really? Where?

*cough* Texrat who? And, uhh...boy, the web people who let that updated page go live early, they must be in some trouble, huh? Yes, let's all focus our attention on their blunder.

Viipottaja 2008-03-29 01:31

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Excellent! I think will get one. Pity its black - you know, the perennial "geeky sexy" color. I like the original steel color much better. Hopefully it will start to retail quickly and hopefully a bit lower or max. same price as the original N810 did at launch.

vbrilon 2008-03-29 01:32

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 161820)
*cough* Texrat who? And, uhh...boy, the web people who let that updated page go live early, they must be in some trouble, huh? Yes, let's all focus our attention on their blunder.

Er...what? *blink* I was just curious where anything was said about hardware. That's all.

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-29 01:52

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Originally Posted by vbrilon (Post 161839)
Er...what? *blink* I was just curious where anything was said about hardware. That's all.

There's a post somewhere where he mentions that step 5 will "blow everybody away" or somesuch.

Texrat 2008-03-29 03:18

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Originally Posted by vbrilon (Post 161811)
Really? Where?

In his dreams.

luciditydigital 2008-03-29 04:28

Nokia N810 CDMA version.... LOL
 
now don't crucify me, but what I would like to see is an IT that was Wimax, but when Wimax was not available would drop down to EVDO and when that was out, back to just CDMA 1x.
That way i would be able to get rid of my Sprint Air card, and just use the N810, and (with some happy software) tether it to my notebook when I need the larger screen.
Now that would be nice...

ya, I know fat chance, but I have a glimmer of hope that when they throw the covers off the specs that there will be a little more than just Wimax connectivity.
-Ezra

Third Echelon 2008-03-29 09:32

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The page has been changed and the WiMax Tablet isn't there anymore. We'll just have to wait a few days and see if we get any info at CTIA.

theflew 2008-03-29 13:45

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 161845)
There's a post somewhere where he mentions that step 5 will "blow everybody away" or somesuch.

Does this mean N810W is step 4 of 5 and we're going to see step 5 later this year in the form of the N9XX?

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-29 13:59

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Originally Posted by theflew (Post 161988)
Does this mean N810W is step 4 of 5 and we're going to see step 5 later this year in the form of the N9XX?

Seems to be the case.

Snoshrk 2008-03-29 14:19

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OK I would appreciate your recommendation...

I've been following the discussion avidly and
Do I get a N800 now, or wait for "step 5"?

Appolgies if this is the wrong thread to ask in

Thanks

sachin007 2008-03-29 14:40

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Originally Posted by Snoshrk (Post 162000)
OK I would appreciate your recommendation...

I've been following the discussion avidly and
Do I get a N800 now, or wait for "step 5"?

Appolgies if this is the wrong thread to ask in

Thanks

I would say get a second hand n800 or (n810 if i like a keyboard & gps)
Im surethere will be some way by which you could use wimax with the current talets with an accessory.
And by the time step 5 comes ull be a pro in internet talets and you ll not let anj one in the world from preventing you buying sstep 5.

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-29 14:48

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Originally Posted by Snoshrk (Post 162000)
I've been following the discussion avidly and
Do I get a N800 now, or wait for "step 5"?

The N800 is so dirt cheap these days that it's definitely worth getting now (especially if you can find one used).

Then you can get yourself an N900 when it comes around around the end of this year and use the N800 as a backup/couch computer. ;)

Snoshrk 2008-03-29 14:58

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Thanks Guys!

I will probably joining the ranks then this weekend...TigerDirect has the N800 for $219 again.

I know I could get one at a better price used, but I kinda like the idea of having a warranty.

'nother question: as long as the sd card is sdhc it will work in either slot, right?

thanks again

sachin007 2008-03-29 15:06

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Originally Posted by Snoshrk (Post 162013)
Thanks Guys!

I will probably joining the ranks then this weekend...TigerDirect has the N800 for $219 again.

I know I could get one at a better price used, but I kinda like the idea of having a warranty.

'nother question: as long as the sd card is sdhc it will work in either slot, right?

thanks again

yes. non sdhc also works

debudebu 2008-03-29 15:20

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does anyone know how much the sprint wimax contract will cost?

OppositeOfIgnorance 2008-03-29 15:26

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is wimax ever gonna be free like wi-fi is? (like i can go somewhere and search for a network and connect)

OppositeOfIgnorance 2008-03-29 15:28

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i'd say skip this and wait for the N900. Bring back dual-SDHC's, and give me a faster processor (and hopefully a little better battery life), oh, and KEEP THE KEYBOARD.

GeneralAntilles 2008-03-29 15:34

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Originally Posted by OppositeOfIgnorance (Post 162024)
is wimax ever gonna be free like wi-fi is? (like i can go somewhere and search for a network and connect)

WiMAX has nothing to do with Wifi. It is basically a cellular data service. So, pretty much, no.

OppositeOfIgnorance 2008-03-29 16:05

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that sucks
so is wi-fi here to stay?

and how far off do u think the ACTUAL n810 successor is? (hopefully with sdhc)

Snoshrk 2008-03-29 16:24

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I would love to wait for the next gen tablet too, BUT:

no specs (all speculations / wishes aside)
no price point (although given past releases I'm guessing at MSRP >$400)
too steep for me at this point
no release date (although I'd guess Sept Oct of this year)

and I have to get my feet wet eventually...better a decent late model than the headaches of the early adopter (not that I think it wouldn't be awesome)

debudebu 2008-03-29 16:58

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so nobody has even a guess as to how much sprint's wimax will cost?


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