i love it!!!

It looks like the upgrade supports WMA, is this new?

Oh, good point! I am not a Linux person so I only vaguely followed the stuff about timezones when the update came out. I'll go look back through it all. Thanks for reminding me!

Good eye. On Nokia's site WMA is listed in supported audio formats for the 2006 OS, and excluded for the 2005 OS. Interesting. I would imagine WMA could include several different formats, just like AAC does. So what it really means is anyone's guess.

I hope in addition the video player will not be as picky. It's really annoying when mpg and some rl (real player) video files don't work when you want to stream live TV via the internet.

The Treo and the 770 take very different approaches to GUI. Every model of Treo has had a hardware keyboard, obviously. On top of that, the interface on the Treo since the introduction of the Treo 600 has been very focused on one-handed navigation using the five way navigation thinger rather than relying solely on the touch screen.

It's possible that your experience with Windows Mobile devices may provide insight regarding the 770 interface (and it would be great if you'd care to expand on that point), but the Treo is an incomparable device. Remote User's observation regarding touchscreen GUIs seems very sound.

I can probably count on my hands the number of times I've used the nav thinger to actually navigate. I've used it maybe to nudge down a webpage or email. Isn't that nav thinger similar to the 770s nav thinger?

As for Windows Mobile, my experience has been with a HP iPaq, which has no keyboard, and a similar nav thinger like the 770. Far be it from me, a longtime Mac user to advocate anything Microsoft. But their UI is alot cleaner with similar restrictions as the 770.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...ch&sa=N&tab=wi

BTW: I just read the specs on Nokia's website regarding the 2006 Version.... Still no native OGG Vorbis support. Instead a bundle of exotic proprietary formats I never even think of using on a Linux based system. Strange. While they're on the right track with Google Talk (based on open standards), they missed this one completely.

Is the start screen on the 2006 version more customizable than on the 2005 version, or is it still only possible to include or leave out the pre-configured applications?

It is VERY picky. So picky in fact sometimes when I open a file in the player it says the format is unsupported. Try opening it again or open it via the file manager though and it will work fine.

new OS Annouced while prev 770 is not shipped out that's much?
this fast growing will turn me out of my mind.

by the way Google annouced that they are going to support SIP in coming day's and this device suppose to be in 1st place to support better voice quality using google SIP service

Waiting for Upgrade..

Nokia, Google Detail Linux Tablet Collaboration

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1963054,00.asp


complete, story: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4612698182.html

"...The 770 tablet appears to have only a single one-eighth-inch headphone jack, but the jack actually supports mobile phone headsets with microphones...."

Didn't know that =)

One little "bug" I hope they fix is the ability to add more icons in the top system tray. Right now there is a limited number of icons you can have up there, and I am always having to decide which ones I can live without.

Maybe they can hide the inactive ones like in WinXP, or have some type of scrolling feature. It's tricky because of the fact that the title bar is right there...

Available Second Quarter?????? We are already in the second quarter!!!!!!!! Q1 Jan-Mar Q2 Apr-Jun q3 ....... Is it not posible for Nokia to be more specific????

I WANT MY UPDATE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They've said "June" and "Q2" - that's pretty damn specific :-)

i.e. less than 6 weeks!

Depends on what calander they are using really. If they mean the physical quaters, then you're right. However if they are talking Fiscal year, then April - June is the first Quarter and Jan-March is the fourth.

Either way the word June was put in there.

no google
 

I'm in Phoenix, have the same setup as Thoughtfix pretty much. I tried your settings, wap.voicestream.com and getmorespeed.voicestream.com, still don't get google. They must really be blocking it in some states. I just don't understand why. Anyone have experience setting up a proxy server on their Windows box at home to use with the 770?

I agree. Another great moment of "corporate publicity gone awry" was trying to watch the videos of the 770 press conference with the 770.

Offered formats were WMA and Real.

I must admit I didn't try, but what happened when you tried to view the RealVideo stream on the 770?

Personally, I transcoded it into a 20M AVI file suitable for the 770 so I could watch it offline.

On the subject of the presentation, Nokia could certainly use some Apple-inspired launch hype and professionalism :-/

Thanks for that video, being on dial-up makes streaming very challenging.

I felt like I was back in college watching people stumble over presentations. Marvellous camera work detailing the PowerPoint presentation. (Y'know, the one they removed from the shot when they zoomed in on the static & lifeless speakers?)

One thing I thought was cute, the 770 signage in the back was an instore display I think. "Try the 770 here now!".

I really blame web developers for that though. I can see them sitting down, what way will get this this watched on the web. Everyone uses windows, so format a and format b.

Seems to me that the only BIG changes in the 2006 OS is:
1. the relatively NEW look [i'll buy that...]
2. the NEW thumb keyboard that most of us don't use [good effort]
3. the UPGRADED Opera browser [the regular one's good enough for me]
4. the NEW Google Talk function [that nobody uses]
5. the new VOIP function [we're not even sure if the little bloody hole on the bottom (which I believe is a mic) will work]

The only thing that actually hypes me up is the new themes (the one i'm using is getting kinda...)

If I had my choice this is what I would fix:
1. A radically new look [I'll give Apple (although I hate Apple) credit for creating some cool looking machines (though I prefer Alienware and Voodoo better)]
2. Better OS and hardware interactivity coding [A change to a different OS like Windows (if people want mass-user friendly OS) or Apple (for a more modern look) or just update the Linux OS to look a little more interesting]
3. Flash 8 player [for watching those live streaming videos]
4. More file extensions [such as tar.gz for installing actual Linux programs]
5. A better keyboard idea [like a bluetooth keyboard option for cheap. mouse function would be nice.]
6. More applications that run for the 770.
7. More functions that will help in daily use.
8. An instant messing client we all use [c'mon Google Talk?]

Okay... I honestly don't think that they will incorporate a mouse and keyboard thing because of prices and all (I'm just fantasizing in my own little world). But things that deal with code can be fixed or incorporated right?.. Then again this is just my little dream for the 770... lol.

Of course none of us use it: it's not been released yet! (Duh... ;-))

We don't know there have been any major changes to Opera.

Yes, it's a mic. Yes it'll work for VoIP (I'd bet money on it). As for no-one using Google Talk, I know a lot of people who do, and I'll be using it increasingly if the client on the 770's any good.

Riiiiight... Of course, the 2006 OS - having proper package management - will make it a lot easier for third party themes to be used.

You've pointed out you like the new theme (I'm holding out judgement, ATM) and I've said new themes will be easier. Personally, I think the general UI decisions have been largely the right ones. And as Alan Cox said, "you've succeeded in making it look like a Nokia device which runs Linux, rather than a Linux device from Nokia".

Looks?! You don't choose an OS on looks. No version of a "mass-user friendly" Windows (if one exists) is suitable for the 770 hardware. Rumours of an Apple tablet are interesting, but it'll cost as much as a MacBook, not 250ukp!

Yep, but if Macromedia won't do it for a realistic fee from Nokia, it ain't gonna happen (unless gnash gets a lot better quickly).

The new package management will allow for third party applications to register file handlers with gnomevfs. So, for example, an archiving program could register .gz, .bz2, .zip, .rar etc.

There is a BlueTooth keyboard option. Written by a guy who works at Nokia (although it's not officially supported, as with all third party software).

These are all kind of related: in less than 6 months of release, the 2005 OS had several hundred programs written or ported to it. With the more sane and sensible API, better packaging etc. which 2006 OS gives I'm really hopeful for the future application catalogue.

Personally, skyhusker's gaim has worked very well for me for MSN. And "more functions that will help in daily use" is just a bit vague.

Dreams are fine, but sensible discussion as to what's possible and what's not, and the real pros and cons of the device is even better :-)

Especially if it can be directed into ways to make it a specific checklist for Nokia or a third party developer.

Cheers,

Andrew

I've always wondered. I have had the 770 crash a couple of times plugging in headphones. Could have just been chance but it wouldn't do that if it was simply a headphone socket hanging of an audio amp.

The other day the screen had dimmed on mine when I plugged the headphones in and it lit up - further evidence of a software link between the socket and the OS.

The ability to support a mic would be cool indeed.

Why not release a beta OS for wider break-testing? Or from which URL can I get it?
--
Derek

I suspect it's past the beta stage by now. Just fine tuning before final release (ever optimistic)!

derekh: I can see Nokia's point for not releasing it: as soon as it's ready for external use, they want it to make an impressive splash. A phased release makes that harder.

I'm beginning to think that the first release should be considered a developer release: either because of niggling bugs or the lack of 3rd party software.

After a couple of weeks there'll be software and (possibly) a new bug fix release :-)

Sorry, to pop it like that: but have "we" by now found out wheter there will be new hardware or not? I am soooo ready to buy a 770, but wouldn't wanna miss new hardware at the same price tag...

mainly since VOIP would be a great add-on...

so... any new gospels about hard-/and os-upgrade vs. os-upgrade only?

;-)

Per the news conference, there is something being developed(as there always is) but we won't see it for a longtime yet.

meaning the 770 will be exact the same hardware as the one selling now and OS 2006 just a simple software upgrade?

So, i can go ahead and buy the nokia 770 without worries?

Certainly without any worry that the hardware's about to be made obsolete.

I have had mine crash on several occasions when I have been taking my headphones out of the jack. I reported this to Nokia months ago. I don't know if the OS upgrade can fix this or not, but I hope so.

so its june, where's the update? :)

June 1st Nokia UK's 770 soaftware update page is down at 11:30 am. Software update page just redirects to nokia products. Keeping fingers crossed today is the day!

don't get me all psyched up, though-- :confused:

I haven't even decided if I am going to immediately abandon my current OS with all of its wonderful hacks and crazy software patches that make it the wonderful machine it is
(I believe OS2006 WILL have an equivalent to the flash Swap, though...)

-its probably just a small DNS hiccup, though :rolleyes:

DCarter

That download page has been down for some time...

yeah, where's the 2006 update !?!?!?!?!?!

but seriously they should release it now :(

But seriously, they should release a WORKING IT-2006 update. Not a half-baked shitty thing that will get all people to whine because its buggy.

I know, i'm waiting it as much as everybody else, and plan to install it the minute i see it released. But i still want them to release a good working update, not a crappy thing they will eventually update in the given month or so.