Re: Canola and Diablo
 

For a desperate soul, temporary 'fix' is to get rid of diablo repo and reinstall python2.5 from chinook repo. After that canola works fine.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I upgraded to Diablo, not restoring backup. When I got everything loaded, I went and restored just the app catalog. It asked me if I wanted to auto install all of the apps I had previoously installed, but I thought it would take the opportunity to purge some if the apps I didnt use and chose not to auto install.

From there I didnt edit any repos, didnt add "Diablo" to anything as it seemed that the apps I cared about were all in the list, Canola being the most important for me. I installed Canola 2 first, then the Last.FM and Youtube plugins and my old favorite flat black theme. I did not need to explicitly install Python or anything, though MPlayer was installed automatically for me. Everything seems to work, I was able to download my podcasts this morning and it seems I have all icons present, though i have not tried to play any videos yet.

One thing I did notice was that the volume was very low, much lower than it was in Chinook. I made sure that all sliders were up all the way, both system and Canola, but it still seemed too quiet for me. I know there is a hack to increase these somewhere, so I'll search and try to find that. It was somewhat of a problem with Chinook, but much more with Diablo...or maybe all those punk and metal shows are finally catching up with me ;)

Tchau

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I've noticed the decreased volume as well, so I don't think it's just your ears. Canola is noticeably quieter under diablo even with all the volume sliders up.

I'm just thankful for how well it works even if it's compiled for Chinook :)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

You seem to have become lost from the apple fanboy community. I dont see how what happened to canola is any different from what will happen when apple updates their iphone firmware - some apps will need to be updated to work properly. If by 'makes things a lot easier for developers' you mean forcing them to learn to use apples proprietary standards, not to mention the 2gb size limit and price cap apple has placed on the software.... who is going to make an app bigger than 2gb you say? its not that you will, its that you CAN.....

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

damn dan...who pissed in your cheerios?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Well, I got Canola working properly on Diablo today. :D I uninstalled the copy that wasn't working along with the Python packages, then I disabled all the application catalogs except for the Chinook Extras which was manually added, and then I redownloaded Canola from the Web catalog on the Application manager. Now it's working with the plug-ins too. :)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Although dan may have gone a bit overboard, I do agree that some prior coordination between Nokia and some of the more prominent developers (such as the Canola developers) should have occurred before Diablo's release. It might have helped ease the transition, and not have people scrambling to recompile, find old software to get things to work, etc.

Mitch

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I'm not liking Nokia's roll-out of Diablo from a developers perspective. Shouldn't issues like these (and I'm seeing them too with my packages) of been resolved before the official release? Also for the indt guys not to be told in advance of a major release when they produce some of the more critical apps for the tablet is pretty shameless IMHO.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

id definitely have to agree with you there mitch. how do you say clusterf**k in finland> lol

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

While I agree that the release seems rushed, it needed to happen. It's a lot easier to make developers comply with rquests if they're forced to. If Nokia had waited on developerrs to be ready, we could be waiting for Diablo for a while.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi guys,

Yes, I agree with the points, end while we were "keeping" canola working with diablo as we could, I think the point here is the new " way " of working, that there was maybe another way to do (like make it closed beta, then open a little bit and so on) so this would be " smooth " for the "end-user" profile.

What I have seen is that : if you have a release, people WILL install it. and as much as we need this update as developers and hardcore users, the majority of users will not " acceppt " the problem. So :

a. this is needed. unfortunately there will be this space between the transition
b. I believe it could have been done quietly (not only with US and other "big" devs , but with all interested developers out there...) and then after the basics were done then opened to the public.

BUT talk when we are outside is always easier ... so I will not take for granted that it could have been done differently.

BR

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

How about an iPod touch? no two-year contract.

Anyway I came home pissed and pissed off last night. I had a very bad day yesterday and just felt like letting off steam...

I went into Akihabara (geek heaven in Tokyo) to buy USB cables and adapters so that I can hook my MP3 recorder to the N810 in order to xfer recordings to the N10 for upload to my website. I also especially wanted to visit a Tully's coffee shop that has the NTT "Flets Spot" wireless service to setup my N810 on it (I'm already setup for FON and Wireless Gate). I couldn't get logged on. So I tried to call NTT support center only to find that my Softbank cell phone didn't work.

I had just picked it up yesterday morning after it had been sent for repairs. The Softbank shop where I picked it up opened 15 minutes late and my phone was returned to me by a young air-headed girl with long bejeweled fingernails which gave her great trouble when taking out the battery in order to insert the SIMM card. While she was doing this she got a phone call from her boss during which she apologized for oversleeping. Well she returned the phone without testing it and I was stupid enough to trust her.

Anyway the Softbank shop where I picked up my phone is near my home and Akihabara where I was when I discovered that my phone didn't work is an hour train ride into Tokyo. So needless to say I was unsuccessful in getting my N810 setup to use NTT'S Flets Spot. So my trip to Akihabara and the 10 to 15 dollars that it costs went half down the drain (I did get the adapter I wanted though).

Don't worry though, I still love my N810. I just like things to work.

But before I go, here's anther rant...in Akihabara, the biggest electronics center in the world, there isn't one USB cable with a micro USB plug - the type used by the N810. Why did Nokia have to go with such a stupid unstandardized and rare USB jack? There's enough room on the N810 for a mini USB jack.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hi tokyo :

The ipod touch is a solid multimedia dude. There's actually a couple of things we (from Canola team) would like to be able to have, but at the same time those are the biggest drawbacks from the iDevices : liberty to place your media.

Photos always go trhough a "transconding" : this is great because it makes sure the UI will be always " snappy " but you have a dithered (low quality) photo no matter how good is your camera.

Videos always go through filtering : only the specific h264 formats will go into and this is quite boring as you will have to convert almost any internet video nowdays : /

And the same for music and so on.

in the end this comes to a point I'm writing a small article about :

" Balancing freedom and User experience" : how to deal in the opensource based device world with the needs of highly experienced users x the need of having a responsive UI and a concise user experience across multiple platforms in not so powered devices.

But I need to agree with you in some points: Maemo could be way better by now. It's something not easy to understand why it is still so " not-ready " for prime time : /

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

If you jailbreak the iPhone you don't need any contract and it's the only two clicks hack you'll ever need to make it work.

Can we say the same thing with ours tablet? I don't think so...

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

well... obviously! The tablets have no need to be "jailbroken" :P

And there's a lot of great quality software out there that can be installed on jailbroken iPhones, but there's also a lot of great quality software that can be installed on our NITs :P

@TokyoDan: I use a micro usb to mini usb adapter that Motorola makes for their Razr phone, it was pretty easy to find on Amazon and cheap too (to the tune of 27 cents or so) But I agree, micro instead of mini is not really a space saver in the least :/

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

The reason I went overboard last night, besides my bad day, was hearing how some N810 users are jumping through hoops to get things working with Diablo. That's what set me off. But I7ve been having great success with Diablo and Canola works fine so far - no problems, although I don't know about the lower volume on Diablo as I didn't have much time to use Canola on Chinook. So I can't make a comparison. I wonder why so many people are having problems with Canola on Diablo. Could it be conflicts with other installed 3rd party software?

When I was in systems integration, many times I was called out after 5PM on a Friday night because our "sneaker net" swapable hard drives stopped working on our customers' Macintoshes. After troubleshooting for hours I found (most of the time) that the drives weren't being recognized because of some dam unneccessary extension that the customer installed/enabled on his Mac. I know that "The customer is always right" but I wanted to kill the sucker for screwing up my Friday night. In those days I prayed for closed systems that the customer couldn't f*** up.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Thanks for the info. Is this the cable you mean? If so, I'm going to order it.

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-RAZR2...4915267&sr=8-2

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the new 3G iPhone not been jailbroken yet? And how are you going to buy one without a contract? Who's going to sell it to you?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Update on the volume issue: I added the following lines to mplayer.conf based on another thread:

softvol = yes
softvol-max = 500

That seems to help most of the playback volume, but not all. For example my BBC News podcast on which I am completely addicted to (you gotta love Max Pierson) is still playing quite. Something tells me that this particular feed is not going through mplayer and is therefore not affected by the volume uncapping. Any other BBC listeners noticing this? If so, is there a fix?

Thanks!

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Ah!... Like an Italian sports car Canola sure looks pretty, goes like hell, and when you really need it... it's in the shop. :D

With the 4th of July coming and our American tendency to celebrate our independence by drinking large amounts of beer, roasting and eating beast, and comparing lawns with our neighbors I was hoping to show off my N800 and its 6 GB music library using Canola.

I guess I'll fire up the metalayer-crawler again and use the built in Media Player. I've tried all the techniques outlined in this thread with no luck... I'll wait for the Diablo build of Canola.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

YoDude : if it was our fault for being on the shop I would take the hit :) but this time due, believe it's way beyond our hands. I again believe the Tablet OS needs this change, but it should have been done closed and then released to the public : /

JayJay : I don't know in the US, but in several countries you have the option of buying unlocked, but then it goes from 199 to more than 500 USD.

BR

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

I think a lot of these flustered user upgrade problems could be solved by just a little more communication.

For example, I was fine once I learned Canola was supposed to be broken under Diablo. When it is working again, I'll be real happy and re-install it. In the meanwhile there are lots of alternative programs I can use (try doing that on an iphone, then try doing it for free!).

Maybe next time there is some sort of upgrade that breaks a lot of stuff, we can have a list that end users can easily find that simply lists what isn't working yet so we don't pull our hair out trying to fix something us mere users can't fix.

Oh yea, and to that Apple troll, go ahead and sell your soul to Apple. I can hardly wait until some must-have app you run doesn't work with some new Apple firmware update and NEVER WILL because the company that made it lost interest in the product or went under! In the open source would stuff lives on until we in the community lose interest in it! The more I learn about the iPhone/ITouch stuff, the more I'm glad I didn't go that way. I hate feeling so trapped.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

is anyone else getting the bug of composers or something showing up when you select "genre" view?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Hy Munky, this is a known bug on the actual beta, it seems that some id3 versions are imcompatible with our code in that manner, we fixed (at least we think) for the next beta, but it always help if you have one song there that you could send me that generates the problems.

Earlier versions of id3 are the most problematic (generate numbers in the genre view) : /

Marcelo

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

what is showing isnt numbers , it looks as if its the composer(s) and it is for every song.... genres worked fine before diablo and i cant figure out where its reading it from cause i erased the composer section of the tag for every song...i edited every tag of every mp3 manually and all that is there is track number , title , album, artist , and in some cases album artist and finally genre

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

yeah I upgraded to Diablo and it broke my Canola too :( seems to be a problem with python. I have all my icons but the wording on the menu's is blank anyway we understand that you have a great deal of hard work and we do appreciate your effort to bring us great toys for out Tablets take your time and don't stress over it :D

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

The text problem is well known, search in the forum.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Yeah, you guys are doing a great job. I finally broke down and converted my FLAC files to MP3 so I could use Canola, and then upgraded to Diablo and broke Canola. Back to the cruddy media player, but I'm looking forward to when Canola is working in its full glory.

Should have my 32GB SDHC card on Monday. I'll let you now how it goes.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

How did you broke it?

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

This probably won't be a well like question for some, but I was wondering, if there is anyway to make Canola faster?

It's working all nice and pretty for me, under Diablo, and even noticed a very slight increase in speed (faster) when scanning for music playback. There's the thing though, there should not be any sort of scanning when playing back music and that delay during each track is really an annoyance. Anyway to take care of this situation (even at the cost of battery comsumption?)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

hiho

i finally updated my N810 to diablo today and everything works fine except canola

i made a backup and after insalling the backup i let the application manager install my former apps, including canola and some plugins...

canola started well (it was loading the default skin instead of deep blue, but wayne) but the real problem is: there is absolutely NO TEXT!

icons working, music playback works, video plaback worls, amount of icons is correct but i can't read a single word in canola because there are none!

so it's quite complicated to browse your music when you only see a bunch of empty bars

i reinstalled canola twice, but it didn't change the situation at all :(

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

The short answer is that it ain't fixed yet. Just be patient with the team who are working on it.

Tim

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

ah ok, what's the long answer?

i mean, i just read this thread (not every post...) but it seems that i am pretty alone with this problem...many people do not have any problem or completely different ones...there must be a reason ;)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

The long answer is that you're using development repositories, Canola guys can't help that.

Here:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...d.php?p=200128

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

ok, can I expect that this issue will be fixed by the canola makers with the next version or should i do the procedure shown in the link (i don't know what repositories are, so this might be a bit problematic)

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

This is not an issue for them probably. It will be fixed eventually though. Dunno when.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

same problem here after diablo upgrade, canola reinstall from backed up apps - NO TEXT. makes it nearly impossible to know what you are doing in canola.

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

i just instaled the redpill operating system update...python2.5 is all that was updated i now have full functionality of canola under diablo!!!

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

Re: Canola and Diablo
i just instaled the redpill operating system update...python2.5 is all that was updated i now have full functionality of canola under diablo!!!


I did the same and voila everything is there, so no one could simply tell us do this and problem solved, in redpill mode there is a long list but only update python 2.5 thanks munky261

Re: Canola and Diablo
 

seems funny doesnt it lol...cant believe im the first person to do it and notice...went thru everything and absolutely everything is workin fine