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fpp 2008-10-02 19:49

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 229805)
I have almost pre-ordered the Pandora three times in the last two days. I have sat on the credit card information page for a very long time, staring at the words. But I have finally decided to take the same position as fpp:

Hey, I just saved you a lot of typing AND a bunch of money there... now you owe me a beer or two at the next summit ! :-)

Karel Jansens 2008-10-02 19:50

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Originally Posted by RobbH (Post 229802)
[Note: Karel's color enhancement removed above]

There appears to be something wrong with my in-forum editor: I can't select colours anymore (nor did I add colour to that particular bit).

Does anyone else only see a small white square when clicking the colour selector?

Karel Jansens 2008-10-02 19:51

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 229840)
That's funny - somewhere in a dark musty corner of these forums there must still be an old post of mine, with a mockup picture I'd made of a 770 as the top half of a modern Psion Series5... It's true that as far as clamshells are concerned, it's been downhill ever since.

I remember that! Oh, how I drooled...

Benson 2008-10-02 19:54

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 229845)
There appears to be something wrong with my in-forum editor: I can't select colours anymore (nor did I add colour to that particular bit).

Does anyone else only see a small white square when clicking the colour selector?

No, I see a small black square.

But [color=red][/color], [color=#7fff00][/color], and the like still work...

fpp 2008-10-02 19:54

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229806)
Hmmm... either of those would be killer, but I'm gonna have to go with the sawed-off Kaypro.

Seriously, wouldn't it be fun, a Kaypro with everything chopped about 6" behind the display, a slot-loading optical with a 5.25" floppy facade, and batteries for a 48-hour runtime? (And those lovely individual-switch keyboards. You know you could mod those, take keys off an old one, nibble out more room, and get extra keys... Not like the Pandora. :p Gaming controls, in the limited sense of an inverted-T cursor pad, were thus attainable.)

Really, the only problem with this is destroying a perfectly good Kaypro to build it. :(

Might I perhaps interest you in a working, mint-condition Compaq Portable III sewing-machine (with full-size ISA card extension)... or maybe a Toshiba T5100 ? :-)

Benson 2008-10-02 20:07

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Not that those are bad machines, but... ;)
  1. They don't have big metal keyboards (and cases).
  2. They actually run modern OSes without putting in a new computer.
  3. They aren't machines I grew up on.
If I had them, they'd wind up being terminals or thin-clients. The Kaypros' the only thing I'd actually mod into something cool and useful. (A more likely outcome would actually be an x86 gaming-ready machine, rather than a Pandora...)

That said, if you're ever thinking of tossing them, I might be game to at least cover shipping costs to get them here; while I love old machines, I am aware of the uselessness of most of them, and too tight a budget to collect them regardless, so you can probably get more on ebay.

fpp 2008-10-02 20:31

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Oh no, I didn't extract them from their respective garbage cans just to dump them again for a few bucks. Right now they're gracing my garage racks waiting for my time and inspiration to mod them into something fun (probably when I retire :-). Like I did with the old Hirschmann Ethernet hub...

Benson 2008-10-02 20:38

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OK, we're seriously OT, but that's beautiful. A shame about the lights, though; revisit that after you get done with the Compaq and Toshiba!

fpp 2008-10-02 20:53

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229865)
OK, we're seriously OT, but that's beautiful. A shame about the lights, though; revisit that after you get done with the Compaq and Toshiba!

Thanks (*blush*).

I do have the hardware provisioned for generation III actually : a newer VIA ITX board and a 80 GB 2"5 drive. And a new OS (Arch Linux), 'cause I'm fed up with Gentoo. All currently being prototyped inside a MSDN plastic binder case, waiting for me to muster the courage for the big switch (and downtime :-)

qole 2008-10-02 21:17

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Hey, OT is what I do best! Here's my server / router housing:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33...8eb960c6_m.jpg

This is an old picture; I've replaced the old monitor with a 19" CRT that looks almost the same. The button / joystick console swings down and inside I have a keyboard, mouse, and some actual joysticks that I plan to rig up to the old controls at some point in the future...

I'm actually trying to figure out how to use my antique phone with my N800 to make a cool video-VoIP phone.

luca 2008-10-02 21:21

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 229849)
Might I perhaps interest you in a working, mint-condition Compaq Portable III sewing-machine (with full-size ISA card extension)...

Ah, the memories...I used one at work (actually a compaq 386) and the isa expansion hosted a TI9995 processor card we needed to develop for (the compaq was used just for the keyboard/disk/screen, all the development environment was running on the TI9995).
We were thrilled that with the compaq we could do a whole compile-link-burn to eprom cycle in just 15 minutes (with the previous system, a TI portable computer that was called portable only because it had an handle, that took a whole working day).
TI used to make some amazing processors.....and it still does ;)

fpp 2008-10-02 21:35

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 229885)
Hey, OT is what I do best! Here's my server / router housing:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33...8eb960c6_m.jpg
This is an old picture; I've replaced the old monitor with a 19" CRT that looks almost the same. The button / joystick console swings down and inside I have a keyboard, mouse, and some actual joysticks that I plan to rig up to the old controls at some point in the future...

Wow... Dude, that's about twice my *total* allowed volume for antiques at home ! :-)

gemniii42 2008-10-02 21:37

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 229760)
The screen is bigger than the N8X0's. It is, in fact, the same screen that is used for the Archos 605.

And it's bigger than my phone also:)
Like the original EEE pc before they upgraded the LCD, they have plenty of room for expansion.
But it looks like it could hold a 5" plus screen instead of a 4.3

fpp 2008-10-02 21:38

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Originally Posted by luca (Post 229887)
Ah, the memories...I used one at work (actually a compaq 386) and the isa expansion hosted a TI9995 processor card we needed to develop for (the compaq was used just for the keyboard/disk/screen, all the development environment was running on the TI9995).

...and I had a Toshiba T5200 (which also had a full-size ISA slot) with a huge 1200 baud modem card inside, which I took home and used to connect to local BBSes, which were my first online life :-)

danramos 2008-10-02 21:43

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How about the option, 'Will buy as soon as I can afford one!'? :)

qole 2008-10-02 22:20

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 229894)
How about the option, 'Will buy as soon as I can afford one!'? :)

In the wealthy Western world, "I can't afford it," is similar to the excuse, "I don't have time for that."

They both mean, "That does not have a high enough priority for me to spend money / time on it."

Perhaps, more precisely, there is a priority / cost ratio, where the needed priority drops as the cost drops. So perhaps you could say, "that thing is too expensive for its perceived usefulness."

Karel Jansens 2008-10-02 22:31

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Originally Posted by gemniii42 (Post 229891)
And it's bigger than my phone also:)
Like the original EEE pc before they upgraded the LCD, they have plenty of room for expansion.
But it looks like it could hold a 5" plus screen instead of a 4.3

No it doesn't: Speakers are on both sides of the screen.

Benson 2008-10-02 22:48

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 229910)
No it doesn't: Speakers are on both sides of the screen.

Yeah, also like the original EeePC. :p

Seriously, I'm guessing that it's like the EeePC in a lot of ways, for example, using a smaller screen than the maximum possible to reduce cost. Maybe also preserving the option of expanding it later, for a higher-priced model (or also possibly an upgrade kit)? Leaving room for hardware hacks... Although there's proportionately less space here, and the obvious one (BT) is already integrated.

Hardware hack options: Maybe a microSD reader, though, wired in parallel with one of the SDs. (Obviously you can't have a card in both at once, though.) Or a SIM reader. Or a couple of white LEDs pointed at the keyboard. Or an array of blue LEDs serving no purpose but making it blinding to use at night and draining batteries. The possibilities are endless...

Karel Jansens 2008-10-02 23:22

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 229912)
Yeah, also like the original EeePC. :p

Seriously, I'm guessing that it's like the EeePC in a lot of ways, for example, using a smaller screen than the maximum possible to reduce cost. Maybe also preserving the option of expanding it later, for a higher-priced model (or also possibly an upgrade kit)? Leaving room for hardware hacks... Although there's proportionately less space here, and the obvious one (BT) is already integrated.

Hardware hack options: Maybe a microSD reader, though, wired in parallel with one of the SDs. (Obviously you can't have a card in both at once, though.) Or a SIM reader. Or a couple of white LEDs pointed at the keyboard. Or an array of blue LEDs serving no purpose but making it blinding to use at night and draining batteries. The possibilities are endless...

That particular screen was used because it fitted the budget and was the best in existence (for that size and at that moment). The speakers are there because, rather unlike the Eee, Pandora is a gaming handheld and sound seems to be important for "the kids". :rolleyes:

Hardware hacks are not only possible (the board e.g. has intentional solder pads for exactly that purpose), but are actively encouraged. One of the interesting ones is a camera in the top lid (apparently there's room for it).

Thesandlord 2008-10-02 23:47

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How about:

I wish I could buy it, but I already bugged my parents enough to let me buy a N810, and there is no way I can convince them I need a "gaming machine." Plus, with college coming up and all, I need a new phone (mine is one of those you buy in a box with prepaid minutes) and possibly a laptop. No gadgets for me for a LONG time. :(

jhoff80 2008-10-02 23:49

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 229907)
In the wealthy Western world, "I can't afford it," is similar to the excuse, "I don't have time for that."

They both mean, "That does not have a high enough priority for me to spend money / time on it."

Perhaps, more precisely, there is a priority / cost ratio, where the needed priority drops as the cost drops. So perhaps you could say, "that thing is too expensive for its perceived usefulness."

I disagree in my case. Economy's going to ****, currently not working, and living off savings for now, means that I've got plenty of time for it, but can't spend money on things that aren't necessities like oh, food, water, electricity, rent. :p

Sometimes, "can't afford it right now," means precisely what it says it means.

Benson 2008-10-03 00:04

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Same thing. The more money you have, the less important something has to be for you to buy it at the same price.

You could, if a Pandora was that important, live on less/cheaper food, buy on credit and find a job (even if it has to be an illegal sub-minimum-wage one), move out and go homeless, etc. In your situation, it sounds like considering a Pandora important enough to buy could get you committed to a mental institution, but it's still possible.

And good luck with said situation, by the way.

daperl 2008-10-03 17:48

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 229540)
Got a Beagle, may get a Pandora later.

Please post some video when you have this working.

I think with the right OMAP3 server and the right OMAP3 hand held I could put all of my other toys away. That would be nice.

GeneralAntilles 2008-10-03 18:28

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 230208)
Please post some video when you have this working.

Only if you buy me one first. :rolleyes:

danramos 2008-10-03 18:46

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 229907)
In the wealthy Western world, "I can't afford it," is similar to the excuse, "I don't have time for that."

They both mean, "That does not have a high enough priority for me to spend money / time on it."

Perhaps, more precisely, there is a priority / cost ratio, where the needed priority drops as the cost drops. So perhaps you could say, "that thing is too expensive for its perceived usefulness."

The fact that I'm already $200 in the hole in the bank and my credit is maxed out with no other sources doesn't indicate that this is not a high enough priority for me. :P I am literally unable to afford to buy food until payday.

daperl 2008-10-03 18:51

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 230217)
Only if you buy me one first. :rolleyes:

Huh, I thought you would have had one already. What else would you be doing with that thing? Think about the time lapse photography of dust settling. Well, that's what I would do; besides two chicks at once of course.

ArchiMark 2008-10-03 21:00

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Originally Posted by Johnx (Post 229758)
@migs: It's not x86, so no windows xp or vista. You should look at an MID if you're tied to Windows. I think the Aigo MID might get drivers for XP at some point...


FWIW, I got word from Aigo that XP drivers will be released within the next few weeks....

Not sure if I'll put XP on my Aigo MID P8860, dual booting Midinux and Ubuntu on it now.... :)

On the other hand, might sell Aigo now as I pre-ordered Pandora the other day....

:cool:

ArchiMark 2008-10-03 21:04

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 229732)
Well I see that I'm not in a majority position as usual, but that's OK, I can rationalize my way through :-)

I *am* tempted, as a former Psion and Zaurus user, by the clamshell design combined with state-of-the-art power, connectivity and battery life. Sorely tempted.

OTOH, I'm not really a hacker, not really a gamer, and a bit tired of being a beta-tester. After all I already have three tablets and a Zaurus, it's not like I *need* a fifth diamond in the rough to pass the time with...

So to save my sanity, and as an uncommon last resort, I try my hand at common sense :

* if there ISN'T a second batch, the platform will have failed, and I will have one less dust-gathering paperweight I can't bring myself to part with because I'm too weak...

* if there IS a second batch (and third, and...), which I hope for, at that time there will enough user feedback on what the gizmo is really capable of, what's available or not, where it's going, etc. Maybe even some uncovered glaring design error(s) may have been corrected in the new batches... I guess I can change my mind then :-)

FWIW, pre-ordering has gone so well (over 2000 in the first 6 hours...) that they've bumped up first batch limit from 3000 to 4000, but order cut-off is this Sunday I think....check their website....

Sorry, if this was posted before, as I've only skimmed other posts in this thread....

:)

zigzago 2008-10-03 21:29

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I'll be interested to see the reviews, but won't order before then.

Rebski 2008-10-03 21:48

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Not sure if I'll put XP on my Aigo MID P8860, dual booting Midinux and Ubuntu on it now....
ArchiMark, if you get the chance to open a new topic in order to give us your impressions of the Aigo and the state of the Linux o/s you have tried, I for one would really like to read it.

ArchiMark 2008-10-03 22:02

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Originally Posted by Rebski (Post 230269)
ArchiMark, if you get the chance to open a new topic in order to give us your impressions of the Aigo and the state of the Linux o/s you have tried, I for one would really like to read it.

I'll try to get around to that this weekend, Rebski....

In a nutshell though....

Aigo is nice device, similar design to N810 but a bit larger, but still shirt pocketable without case, sharp clear display, OK build, OS install includes most types of apps 'typical user' would want, has WiFi/BT and microSD slot for extra storage space, comes with nice case, earphones, AC adapter...having Intel Atom CPU allows one to install Linux and/or XP (some people seem very interested in that option..)

fpp 2008-10-04 10:37

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Originally Posted by ArchiMark (Post 230257)
FWIW, pre-ordering has gone so well (over 2000 in the first 6 hours...) that they've bumped up first batch limit from 3000 to 4000, but order cut-off is this Sunday I think....check their website....
Sorry, if this was posted before, as I've only skimmed other posts in this thread....
:)

It was, but that's OK, as it means my second option still holds water, so good news :-)

niw_uk1964 2008-10-04 11:17

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 229841)
Here's my all time gold list:
  1. Best pocket computer ever: Psion Series 3xx.
  2. Easiest pocket computer ever: Newton MessagePad 2x00.
  3. Best keyboard on pocket computer ever: Psion Series 5xx.
  4. Sexiest pocket computer ever: Nokia N800.
(By "easiest" I mean: most user-friendly and least intrusive)

Series 5mx for me. I mourn its passing. Awesome computer.

fpp 2008-10-04 12:17

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Don't we all...

Karel Jansens 2008-10-04 14:44

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Originally Posted by niw_uk1964 (Post 230380)
Series 5mx for me. I mourn its passing. Awesome computer.

The 5mx would have won "best ever", except that it has an awful screen, especially compared to the magical screen of the Series 3a (it actually got worse shen Psion added backlighting to the Series 3mx).

I really don't understand how Psion let that screen pass, given their track record on product quality design. It's not as if there wasn't any better technology available at the time. OK, granted: not much better, but still...

Jaffa 2008-10-04 19:38

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 230403)
The 5mx would have won "best ever", except that it has an awful screen, especially compared to the magical screen of the Series 3a (it actually got worse shen Psion added backlighting to the Series 3mx).

The touchscreen the Series 5 introduced added another layer of "stuff" to the screen, and that introduced the contrast problems.

It was a lot better in the 5mx, but still - not as good as an N810 screen.

Karel Jansens 2008-10-04 21:57

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Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 230447)
The touchscreen the Series 5 introduced added another layer of "stuff" to the screen, and that introduced the contrast problems.

It was a lot better in the 5mx, but still - not as good as an N810 screen.

Seeing as the 5 came out in '97, and the 5mx in '99, they could have put something better in there. The 5mx came out a blooming year after the Newton 2100, and that one has a magnificent grayscale screen.

And actually, the N8x0's screen ain't the best either; I've seen an Archos 605 and the screen on that puppy is formidabulistic.

jhoff80 2008-10-04 22:23

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 230482)
I've seen an Archos 605 and the screen on that puppy is formidabulistic.

Hey look, that somehow brought everything right back on topic since that's the screen that's in the Pandora. :D

Karel Jansens 2008-10-04 22:59

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Originally Posted by jhoff80 (Post 230490)
Hey look, that somehow brought everything right back on topic since that's the screen that's in the Pandora. :D

Noooo...:rolleyes:

aRTee 2008-10-06 14:57

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I just ordered my pandora, all my reasons for wanting one have been mentioned.

Things I wonder about:
how pocketable it is, it's about 1cm thicker than my N770 (which it will replace, the n770 will be reduced to being the living room hifi remote, and then some) and likely a bit heaver due to the big battery.

I would love to see a Maemo Mapper equivalent app, vncviewer (which will happen for sure) a good audio/video player (including ogg) and FBreader. And FF3.
Anything else (which is a big fat lot) is, to me, bonus.

Considering the 3d engine, compiz shouldn't even be out of the question... could be cool instead of FF tabs, just more sides of the cube/polygon.

I would like to see Frozen-Bubble with 2 player capabilities - the controls are there, and this would really make my wife love it. Come to think of it, I need proper password protection so she won't steal it...

One thing Pandora has that all Nokia devices (somewhat) lack and will lack more once they tack on phone functionality: openness.

Anyway, we'll see before xmas...


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