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bergie

2008-12-03 08:50

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 246400)

But, of course, practicalities (you know, like post/thanks-based karma :D) trump those trivialities, and I really am pleased with this.

Post and Thanks -based karma is already there if you have added your Internet Tablet Talk profile URL to your profile.

Of course, if accounts become unified at some point things shall become a little bit more automated.

bergie

2008-12-03 08:53

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246403)

The forums are staying on the same servers, so the registration wont be changing in the short term. Account unification will likely wait until we get a real single-sign-on solution.

We made some plans for single sign-on between maemo.org services last spring, but back then it was postponed until the server infrastructure was a bit more reliable.

It is probably the time to start reviving those plans now, and maybe update the ideas to include Talk sometime around January/February Sprint timescale.

Something to discuss in today's meeting if there is time...

qgil	2008-12-03 09:04

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by bergie (Post 246477)

http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Single_sign-on - for those interested getting into details.

SD69	2008-12-03 13:45

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 246453)

This forum was, in my understanding, initially established with the 770 launch. It has not covered (except as competitors) Zaurus, Apple, Palm, HTC, Archos, or even other Nokia devices with reasonably equivalent hardware, but differing in OS. While the tablet hardware has been consistently high-end (770 at launch, and N800 and N810 up through the N810 launch, if less so now, and the N9xx at its launch), the hardware has not been hugely differentiated from other devices. Even the screen resolution is no longer different from some competitors, and with Opera, many of them do a passable job as tablets that access the internet. MIDs are coming out now too, and while their x86 architecture does hurt them powerwise, they're also tablets with access to the internet.

Yet (whatever the reasons) these fora are not, in fact, providing primary coverage of them; they're relegated to "competitors". Since these fora are covering Maemo, it's not indicative of any change of direction, much less one dictated by Nokia, that they should merge with maemo.org.

Essentially, your complaint seems to be rather late, as it is actually against the established focus, not the name change.

I agree with your statement about the focus of the forum and I'm not complaining about the established focus of the forum. This forum was started with the 770 which, at the time, was very distinctive. I do not agree that the tablets are no longer distinctive except for Maemo.

tso	2008-12-03 13:57

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246450)

I hope everyone will give the new direction a chance before reacting drastically...

thats not the internet way ;)

http://www.weregeek.com/comics/2008-12-03.jpg

SD69	2008-12-03 15:29

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246450)

I hope everyone will give the new direction a chance before reacting drastically...

I don't think anyone has, or will, react drastically.

As to give it a chance, my comments that other aspects of the NIT threaten to be lost in the focus on Maemo have already been described as "late". So the idea that anyone should wait until after the forum has moved to maemo.org and is a fait accompli, before reacting, is not really practical.

allnameswereout

2008-12-03 19:56

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 246453)

Essentially, your complaint seems to be rather late, as it is actually against the established focus, not the name change.

There is Competitors for different hardware (might be Maemo though) and there is Alternatives for different software for the 770/N800/N810, with sub-categories.

It makes sense someone is afraid the latter will evaporate from Talk because these (sub-)forums are not directly Maemo-related. However, there is no complaint (unlike the Competitors forum & threads), so why bother to remove them? I don't think that will happen.

smackpotato

2008-12-03 21:02

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

I will mis the name internet tablet talk. It is an excellent pun,if there is such a thing. Table talk sends a signal that post are to be friendly.

allnameswereout

2008-12-03 21:19

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by smackpotato (Post 246626)

I will mis the name internet tablet talk. It is an excellent pun,if there is such a thing. Table talk sends a signal that post are to be friendly.

And-that-tee flow... :)

xxM5xx

2008-12-03 21:55

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by gemniii42 (Post 246417)

Unfortunately TMo sounds a lot like Tmobile.
How about saying "TM dot org"?

Agreed, TMO is T-Mobile to many people. Type TMO in Google and you'll see it listed #2 under the Thermo Fisher Scientific stock exchange listing.

pelago

2008-12-03 22:32

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

This seems a bit of a shame to me. I think that one sign that a community surrounding a device/software/project/whatever is vibrant is the presence of unofficial, fan-run, 3rd-party sites. Making this site official will lose a bit of that.

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-03 22:58

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by pelago (Post 246655)

What do you think maemo.org is? It's certainly not an "official" anything. It's a community site, just like itT. It most certainly not an "official" Nokia site. . . .

SD69	2008-12-03 23:05

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 246600)

Unfortunately, there are people on this thread stating or implying that Maemo is the focus of this forum. While a large percentage of posts may relate to Maemo in one way or another, there are many that don't, and one need only look at the structure of the sub-forums to see that there are other aspects of the tablets too that get attention. Furthermore, some of the posters evidently don't realize that, when this forum started, Maemo didn't even exist and most of the discussions were about aspects of the devices other than the OS.

It's very good that both Maemo and ITT have become robust communities, and I think there was some value to them being separate. It's not just the existence of sub-forums, but the likelihood of users and others who are not SW people posting and having good discussions on non-Maemo topics.

Texrat

2008-12-04 01:21

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

If people don't like what happens to this forum after the name change, maybe they could start another...

Texrat

2008-12-04 02:26

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246532)

I see some of the concerns expressed as drastic. The "oh noes there goes the neighborhood!" type postings are overreaction IMO.

And I think you may have misunderstood that response about your concerns being "late". I also think the worry over the focus on Maemo is wasted. I highly doubt Reggie would be making this move if it meant major changes to what the site looks like now. As far as I can tell, it all amounts to a name change in summary.

Anyway, I never said there should be NO reaction to the news before the move-- that leap is in itself, ironically, part of what I'm talking about.

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-04 02:32

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246728)

I highly doubt Reggie would be making this move if it meant major changes to what the site looks like now. As far as I can tell, it all amounts to a name change in summary.

Well, except for the new maemo.org theme. :p

radiofreewill

2008-12-04 02:34

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

I'm a regular lurker, infrequent poster, and a fan of the Nokia Tablets and This Community that Supports Them.

First, I'd like to say thanks to Reggie, the Staff and All the Regular Commenters for making itT such a great cyber-coffeeshop for the Tablet Community - it's been great!

Second, has anyone given any thought to lobbying Nokia to Mod the N97 specifically for the Wireless/WiMax Market?

How do you think they would feel about:

- Removing the SIP
- Making Maemo5 the Base OS
- Adding Full-Spectrum Wireless/WiMax Support
- Marketing it through Data-Service Provider Plans/2-year Contracts for $149

As a business proposition, it might sound good to Nokia to 'squeeze' a Bonus-Market out of the N97 - with very little additional investment.

For us, the Computer-in-your-Hand Tablet Crowd, we get first-rate hardware and an OS We Can Work With, that will carry us through the next three years, easy.

It might be a Win-Win.

I'm just saying...

fragos

2008-12-04 02:56

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

IMHO with any change there are opportunities. We as the members of this forum are it's life blood. A new suit of clothes doesn't change what's inside.

SD69	2008-12-04 03:08

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246728)

And I think you may have misunderstood that response about your concerns being "late". I also think the worry over the focus on Maemo is wasted. I highly doubt Reggie would be making this move if it meant major changes to what the site looks like now. As far as I can tell, it all amounts to a name change in summary.

I'm sure the move is being made with the best of intentions, but I think a year from now its going to be more than the name that has changed.

Thesandlord

2008-12-04 03:19

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by radiofreewill (Post 246731)

How do you think they would feel about:

- Removing the SIP
- Making Maemo5 the Base OS
- Adding Full-Spectrum Wireless/WiMax Support
- Marketing it through Data-Service Provider Plans/2-year Contracts for $149

As a business proposition, it might sound good to Nokia to 'squeeze' a Bonus-Market out of the N97 - with very little additional investment.

Umm, Maemo5 is not out yet. Hopefully, the N900 will be MORE powerful than the N97. Its not gonna be easy to "squeeze" a new product out of the N97, because there still needs to be development, and WiMax would make it into a whole different product. But, the N97 is a sign of things to come...

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-04 03:24

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246736)

I'm sure the move is being made with the best of intentions, but I think a year from now its going to be more than the name that has changed.

itT's also a lot different now than it was a year ago, and even more different than it was two years ago. Things change, it's hardly the end of the world.

timsamoff

2008-12-04 03:37

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246740)

...Things change...

And, sometimes even for the better. So, continue to be a part of it and the changes will only be good.

Tim

gerbick

2008-12-04 03:38

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

Different clothes, same purpose. Congrats.

SD69	2008-12-04 03:43

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246740)

itT's also a lot different now than it was a year ago, and even more different than it was two years ago. Things change, it's hardly the end of the world.

I know - but fair enough when claimed it's only a name change

on the topic of changes that won't end the world, see post #29...

"Old memes of the "official" maemo.org in the past (e.g. 'discussion about devices is off-topic') need to be revisited now."

Texrat

2008-12-04 04:15

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246736)

I'm sure the move is being made with the best of intentions, but I think a year from now its going to be more than the name that has changed.

Maybe! But why fret about what hasn't happened yet? And may very well not? What's wrong with offering the benefit of the doubt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246744)

Right! In other words, the inclusion of itT into maemo.org means former contraints of the latter are no longer applicable.

qgil	2008-12-04 05:33

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246744)

"Old memes of the "official" maemo.org in the past (e.g. 'discussion about devices is off-topic') need to be revisited now."

Exactly. maemo.org will be much more affected and radically changed because of its move to a community driven setting and the expansion of its scope from Maemo developers to all kinds of Maemo related topics, including compatible hardware and whatever commercial or community products or activities are to be discussed around it.

Instead, ITt will keep being a community driven project, pushed by the same contributors and discussing about whever they (you, we) wish.

Domain changes, layout changes, organization might evolve. Not that Reggie or you would think of doing such moves anyway.

Perhaps all this picture will be more clear when you see the very official maemo.nokia.com popping up and the official news and deliverables for developers being linked and syndicated from Forum Nokia.

radiofreewill

2008-12-04 05:49

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

Thesandlord at 60

Thanks for your reply! That's my bad - I saw the N97 and imagined it hacked - mainly because I'm impatiently ready for a New Tablet. If the N900 turns out to be more powerful than the N97, I'll be thrilled!

Thesandlord

2008-12-04 05:56

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by radiofreewill (Post 246765)

I'm impatiently ready for a New Tablet.

And so say we all....

Has anyone confirmed if internettablettalk.com will redirect properly? There are a LOT of sites that link to itT, and they will all break :(

Also, with not ads, the site should load faster on the tablet, I just realized that...

Benson

2008-12-04 06:03

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246729)

Well, except for the new maemo.org theme. :p

You mean I'll no longer be able to read interesting thread titles like "N800 case is a joke and I am not laughing" while I wait for the front page to load? :(

(For those who've not had the pleasure of watching it load on a slow connection, see the entire background image here.)

SD69	2008-12-04 10:41

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246750)

Maybe! But why fret about what hasn't happened yet? And may very well not? What's wrong with offering the benefit of the doubt?

Who's fretting? Just providing perspective and input.

Jaffa

2008-12-05 10:45

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 246600)

OK, to re-iterate the main points:

Nokia are going to sponsor these fora, as they sponsor the other home of the Maemo Community, maemo.org
Reggie will carry on running the site, but will have resources available to him which are sub-contracted by Nokia to work on maemo.org fulltime.
At the moment, the integration with the rest of maemo.org (which is not a Nokia site any more) will consist of a single look & feel and a domain name change to talk.maemo.org

As the Maemo Community's council, we aren't going to let Nokia ride roughshod over the most vibrant part of the community (ITT). Even if they wanted to... which they don't.

I honestly can't see any downsides to this.

Cheers,

Andrew

Texrat

2008-12-05 19:59

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

It's funny: for so long we had people complaining that there was no official Nokia representation (involvement by myself and others notwithstanding). Then I wore Quim down enough to visit, and now months later we're at the point where some fear Nokia domination.

*sigh*

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-05 20:05

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 247147)

It helps if you think of each of those groups of people as separate and generally not overlapping (group 1 wants more Nokia presence, group 2 wants to avoid Nokia domination, etc). :P

tso	2008-12-05 20:06

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

or more correctly, they want nokia presence, but not control ;)

as in, they want a representative or two of nokia that they can pester about things, but not having nokia run the place and set the rules.

Benson

2008-12-05 20:26

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

I think you can classify sets of people: set 1 (concerned about lack of Nokia presence), and set 2 (concerned about excessive Nokia control).

These sets do intersect (some people are concerned about both), to be sure, and they also don't cover everyone (e.g. I'm in neither, really). But not all (or, I think, most) of the outcry is the same people reacting on the other side now.

Texrat

2008-12-05 21:21

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 247150)

It helps if you think of each of those groups of people as separate and generally not overlapping (group 1 wants more Nokia presence, group 2 wants to avoid Nokia domination, etc). :P

Well duh. I didn't say they were the same, GA.

sgosnell

2008-12-06 03:56

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

Things aren't like they used to be. And they never were. Life goes on, and perhaps we progress. Deal with it.

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-06 04:02

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 247171)

Well duh. I didn't say they were the same, GA.

Fair enough, but it does help to come to terms with the insanity. :p

Frank Banul

2008-12-06 04:33

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

How about maemo.org moves it's content to the servers hosting internettablettalk.com?

My only real fear is that if/when ITT moves servers to maemo.org's it will still be SLOW.

Frank

GeneralAntilles

2008-12-06 04:50

Re: Internet Tablet Talk to become talk.maemo.org

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Banul (Post 247261)

How about maemo.org moves it's content to the servers hosting internettablettalk.com?

There's no server move. itT is staying where it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Banul (Post 247261)

My only real fear is that if/when ITT moves servers to maemo.org's it will still be SLOW.

Have you been using maemo.org lately? Performance is way better than it used to be.

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