Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Look at this way : There is X % chance that they ship before nokia, Y % chance that they ship later and (100-X-Y)% chance that they dont ship and you lose your money. Now, even though I believe X>Y, I am not confident that (100-X-Y)=0 and I don't like losing money so I did not preorder.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Complete, working, portable Pandora: a man has to dream, sometimes

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, complete, working, portable prototype Pandora! :D (CNC case. The production molded case will be black.) Nice though! Things are getting ready for production.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, i suppose with todays video on engadget the race isnt that open anymore. Prototype or not, it's just a matter of a few weeks (1st may?) now before the first units ship. I doubt that nokia will be any faster.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Wanna bet on it? Reply here within 24 hours if you do. I'll bet you an RX-51 (when it ships) that no-one has received a production Pandora (i.e. a unit from a batch of 1000 or more, ordered and delivered as a normal customer) by 1st May. Seriously!

Regards,
Roger

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

We've been told that Nokia had working, portable prototypes of the new device(s) last year already. If the OpenPandora guys rush this into production and into the hands of consumers that quickly (May 1st) after the very first assembled prototype, you can be sure that there's going to be many, many, erm, quality issues.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Totally agree with you, OpenMoko HW is a example of that, and they test it a lot before start shipping the phones.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

IDK, that video make the Pandora so much more promising now.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

both of them better release soon so I can use one in each hand :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah, and use your nose instead of stylus/finger :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I was thinking more along the lines of a neural input device

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I don't believe in 1st May too. However I would bet that I will get Pandora sooner than RX-51 whenever that will be.

I'm in first (~3000) Pandora batch (not sure about position, ordered at first day but few hours after order started). I will only get RX-51 from developer program (if there is any) so the bet would be valid only if there is such program and I get accepted (likely but one never knows).

As for prize I don't know. I have a ton of outdated Palm hardware nobody wants (Tungsten E, T2, T3) or I could perhaps bet good 770 (I have two, one has slight WSOD but still usable) or you could choose from list of following tasks for me to do
- implement screen rotation to 770 2.6.16 kernel (for OS2006 and hacker editions), sadly the kernel part only, not sure about xserver side, OS2007 and up is perhaps OK, OS2006 version sources had incomplete dependencies so I failed to rebuild it when I tried
- implement screen rotation and port tearsync to any kernel Mer will use for 770
or you can suggest something similar related to kernel or http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ stuff that needs improvement :-)

If I win I'll take SD adapter for N810 made by craves1 (the new one with accelerometer etc preferred) or USB2VGA adapter with sis chipset - see http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=26650 http://xsisusb.garage.maemo.org/ :-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Wow! The gauntlet has been thrown down! Does anyone want to take fanoush up on his bet?

I think the bet should go something like, "Which will ship first? The first batch of consumer Pandoras (production run > 500) vs the first batch of Maemo 5 lead devices that don't require an NDA?"

The reason I want to phrase it that way is that it isn't entirely clear if developers will get their Nokia devices before the general public this time. I think there will be a small number of Nokia devices released to selected developers (probably developers of Mer and the selected Fremantle Stars) very soon, probably by the time the Beta SDK is released. But those developers will be gagged by an NDA, I think.

So the bet is for the first non-NDA batch of Maemo 5 devices. I think they will be at least the same quantity as the first batch of Pandoras. And as for the Pandoras, they have to be from a production run, not hand built developer prototypes.

If the devices start arriving in peoples' hands within two weeks of each other, I say we declare a tie.

As for the prize... Is a "slight WSOD [White Screen Of Death]" something like "a little bit pregnant"?

(by the way, I have no extra knowledge -- they don't tell me nothin')

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah, because the Pandora hand built developer prototypes area already out there.. for a given definition of "prototype": They've got the board (the electronics, in MK1 and MK2 versions), the LCD, sometimes the keyboard, and they've been developing the operating system variant and ported games/emulators etc. for months already.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

If the RX-51 developer device program turns out as the N810 instance did, the above stipulation puts the Pandora in a position of considerable advantage. qole's proposal seems more equitable.


(At the same time, in the very likely case that Nokia does run a developer device discount program for the Maemo 5 lead device, I hope it benefits from lessons learned from the problems of the last one.)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I really did not think hard about possible tasks, it is up to you. It only makes sense if I am able to do it though. Another ideas are
- make N8x0 screen rotation working with xv overlay properly (video playback while rotated)
- backport/implement xv overlay (=more framebuffer planes) to 770 kernel
- write cal-tool command replacement that could safely write r&d mode, serial console and watchdog flags and any other value stored in CAL area (/dev/mtd1) directly from tablet via messages sent to dsme

I'd like to keep the personal aspect here. Which one will land on my table first. I really don't want to delay any of them so it is really up to openpandora or nokia guys including possible N810-like developer program delay fiasco sjgadsby mentioned, OTOH they could learn from mistakes and actually ship devices from developer program sooner so it is double-edged sword for me. Early devices shipped sooner than 'normal' developer program do not count (but I don't think it is probable that I'll be getting one anyway).
Hmm, if any of them gets lost in mail or something then we could use date of other developer getting tablet in Germany or CZ or any person getting production pandora from Evildragon's shop http://gp2x.de/


Look here http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/wsod/ It is more or less usable as developer machine. BTW my offer was the good one and I'm keeping the wsod-ed one unless you want it.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

the problem with the "personal aspect" here is that you would have to immediately apply for any developer discount program and immediately order your device upon receiving your approval. It is in your best interest to take your time at both of these stages to give the Pandora a better chance. By keeping the personal aspect out of it, then nobody can accuse you of anything.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

No developer program so far was dependent on time of application. As for shipping - yes I could delay it a bit but it is really not in my best interest at all. We could use any developer from Germany that manages to gets his/her device. It is up to the person who picks up the gauntlet to decide. However the problem with omitting "personal aspect" here is that we will completely omit the "fun aspect" here too. I really don't feel like I've lost the bet if e.g. people in US start to get their devices since Nokia wisely decides to prefer US market and lets Europeans wait. Same issue in case of some other fiasco with various European Nokia shops like not accepting discount codes, being permanently out of stock, messing up the price and demanding device return because of that or any other Nokia c*ckup we might not even imagine now :-) Any such thing is fair to Pandora team since they are really David and Nokia the Goliath.
No it is not. I want both devices ASAP. And BTW the bet is win-win situation for me anyway but I think you already guessed it ;-) Why should I cheat? In both cases I will get days of hacking fun. In case I lose I will do something I want to do anyway but won't find the time unless really forced :-) In case I win I'll get priceless cool hardware I would never buy since I don't need it at all :-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Fair enough. Now to decide if I want to take that bet.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Or anyone else :-) There are more 'prizes' so even more people can take it. From the poll result it looks like there should be enough people :-) Well, unless prizes are not attractive enough ;-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Final pre-order deadline

"Chip has posted as final dead line for pre-orders at April 1st. Yes, this is the 3rd or 4th “final deadline”, but Chip assures us that if you haven’t paid for your pre-order yet you lose it. Which leads us on to the fact that if you’re still wanting a Pandora, you can get one very soon, apparently there are about 300 un-paid for Pandoras. Hurrah for you, good sir! Just keep an eye out on this blog for information about ordering one those Pandoras!!"

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Reminds me of another quote:

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I was just cleaning out old draft messages from my e-mail, and I came across this one that I was planning to send to my wife, I guess around the time of the first Pandora pre-order, before we really understood that they didn't know what they were doing:

I never did send it, which is why it was in my Drafts folder...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You still could.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Wow, I laughed for almost a solid minute! Thanks.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I don't know if I laughed for a minute, but it was definitely out loud. And I'm having a hard time typing this 'cause I'm laughing again. sjgadsby, you might be able to quit your day job.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Thanks for posting. Now I reread his post and I'm laughing again. :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBW8qR0uRVQ

pandora goes for a walk outside:D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I have no idea what Im talking about: I didnt follow any pandora or RX-51 develops but I suppose nokia will use the summer to create some hype about the new device, some video of finally enabled 3d effects, some blury pics of hardware will 'leak' to engadget. Some non tech guy (probably in US) will receive a prototype and will begin the rant shacking his douche ponytail about pointless specs and compare it to the iphone (making Nokia look like a follower). Then a random high rank guy from finland will remove the tie and unbottom the shirt and bring a final unit at the Amsterdam meeting in september. Another series of non technical douches will receive the device (filmed cerimony of white unboxing on youtube, turning on, turning off, boot time, tumbling in front of the camera, pic of the dog to show the callzeislens , lala blah blah...) someone will post some obscure Best Buy document printed with a dot matrix but nokia will miss the xmas holidays. Official presentation at CES 2010 but Steve Jobs will steal all the lights with his return on stage (Good luck and best wishes to him)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

300 un-paid Pandoras? Goodness, these customers, they are Evil. They don't pay for their product! Oh wait, there are far more than 3000 un-delivered Pandoras. Maybe, perhaps, consider to first serve the customers who've actually paid and were promised to get their paid goods delivered 6 months ago. Just a wild idea ofcourse!! Take it with a huge grain of salt!!!!

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You've got to wonder if there are only 300 unsold/paid for.

Interesting to see that now the CE/FCC tests are being mentioned, while before (around xmas time) they were not needed (aka don't think about that as it will add even more delay onto the delays you already know about).

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

See your confused. These were paid for, then then returned some of their money and told them to pay again. Oh and only pay again by bank transfer or check or money order, that way you have no recourse to get your money back.

I find it surprising that there were still 2700 people willing to risk losing more money.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

That makes me feel like a venture capitalist (sort of). I think that a bunch of guys, without a corporation behind, making from scratch a complete - quite bleeding edge - pocketable computer, well, they deserve lots of respect, and some trust too.
And - I still feel they are going to deliver before Nokia does. :p

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

And they may just beat Nokia to the delivery. I am positive as someone who paid by credit card and had 3/4's of my money returned. I am boldly confident that my Nokia RX-51 will ship before the second batch of Pandora's. I am still awaiting my email from Pandora telling me when I can place my CC order.

hahahahahahahahaha

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Ok, fanoush, debernardis, what should I bet?

If I win, I would like to see one of the following:

• N8x0 hardware support in the Fremantle kernel
• Rotation working for XV overlay (mplayer, liqbase)
• A lean-and-mean mplayer rc2 with camera and flv support
• Bootmenu with text console mode built-in, prettier graphics for the menu (configurable background, etc, like grub), Stskeep's boot-to-file mode built-in...

But what could I offer on my side?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

A third of a bottle of non-French absinthe bootlegged from Berlin ?...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

A portion of you part of the council's weekly bacon stipend should do nicely.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

fpp: The French didn't invent absinthe, they got the recipe from the Swiss, made truckloads of their mediocre knock-offs, and proceded to drink so much of it that it was banned. Those French. Sigh.

And I bootlegged nothing.

GA: Divide by zero error.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hey! If I'd known about the bacon I might have tried for a second term! ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Ah, well, sounds like you should talk to HR or something. . . .

/me eats a BLT.

Muhaha! Too late now!