Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

so you already have mer running?!

status on wifi and stuff?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

With sd8686.bin firmware:

http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-smartq-wifi.png

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

sweet, now im tempted to get hold of one ;)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Recall what happened when someone on this forum tempted us to buy a Pandora. That should help you fight the temptation.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

i think this is a somewhat bigger operation then the pandora ;)

and i still would like to get a pandora, but im happy to wait until they have a stockpile of them...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Are you referring to my question about the zoom +/- and switchview keys here? If so, my understanding is that these functions were contemplated as being implemented in the OS or graphics, and not as a configurable function in an app.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

They're gpiokeys or something, so should be trivial to make work (they don't currently, probably some other keycode than the F-buttons).

I have received their kernel sources and a firmware maker, so, we can pretty much do what we need to do. :)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

For comparison with N800:

http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/img-1-mq.jpg

(screen size is similar to N800. don't let the perspective fool you.)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

My understanding of these things is sketchy but is this not a huge deal?

Or has Nokia made an equivalent gesture with the N8*0? And so it is normal practice to do so?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Well, what I've gotten so far is:

* Kernel source (Nokia has given out similar - see kernel-source-diablo)
* Firmware maker (as in, making an "upgrade image" - Nokia has not given out information on the FIASCO format -but- it's a matter of simply asking for it I believe)
* Descriptions on how to boot fully from SD in case the internal flash dies (Boot sector and all stuff) and utility to create this (Nokia hasn't given something similar but it is very rarely needed provided you haven't messed up NOLO and X-loader)
* Information on how to hook up a RS232 console to access bootloader directly

And I've requested bootloader sources (Qi, u-boot), and we'll see how that goes. When that is done, I can actually make a fully open source firmware for it. It's amazingily hackable.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Hi stskeeps, thank you for the detailed reply.

It seems from what you say that Nokia is pretty decent in making available information but that Moses is willing to be totally open.

Or as least as open as is required to produce your own firmware. Again I find this to be amazing, it hearkens back to Sharp in the early Zaurus days when we had many choices of firmware options.

I really miss all of that so this is what i have been waiting on. I suspect that continued reports of your progress here will persuade me to buy a device.

Looking forward to your next update.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

stskeep,

I haven't seen anyone ask these questions and I'm burningb to know.

1) Since mer works on both devices, is it faster on the SmartQ since it has a faster processor?
2) What things don't work on the mer version of the smartQ that do work on the N8*0?
3) Given the choice of both units and now the same OS, which hardware would you buy today if they were both side by side in a store? That small form factor looks awesome next to the oversized N800.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Nokia is working on open sourcing the flasher and at least distribution the fiasco-builder (not sure about the source status).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

1) Faster-ish. Can't benchmark yet - Having a working X helps. 2) WPA2 atm 3) I would get the N800 for the speakers, Stylus and d-pad. Also, 2 sd slots and huge community surrounding it.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Wow... it's like looking at the N801 that never was... :rolleyes:

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Woah.. a 7" tablet, with those easthetics looks kinda nice. And if, like the Q5, it can run Mer ... that'd be interesting.

I wonder if they'll make a SmartQ9, as well ;-)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Yeah. I suspect it can. My kernel sources has the Q7 too so.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I know this is more of a Mer question than a Moses SmartQ* question, but ...

can Mer do the Maemo virtual thumb keyboard ... in portrait mode? On a 4" or 5" screen, that probably doesn't make much sense, but on a 7" screen, it seems like you could have the bottom half of the screen taken up by the thumb keyboard, and the top half of the screen still displaying a usable portion of the app.

Seems like if 7", 9", and 10" screens are going to be supported, that'd be a good option to cover for Mer.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Good question - we don't have a thumb keyboard yet :) I would love a thumb-ish keyboard on the smartq atm.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Mer didn't inherit the thumb keyboard from Maemo?

I'm confused, I would have assumed that was one of the pieces that would just come along for the ride, not one of the pieces that had to be re-crafted.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

It's closed source in Diablo, and a source for Fremantle wont be coming out for a little while yet (or it may have been released in the beta, not sure if anybody checked for it yet).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I wonder what the deal is with the hardware acceleration, I understand that 2D/3D is not used, but the video codec acceleration was supposed to be used at least according to some of the websites.

Where can one download the various bits and bobs of source/binary tarballs/etc.?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

SQ7 for sale $189
http://www.eletroworld.cn/

A useful forum for things Moses SmartQ's
http://www.mp4nation.net/forum/viewf...7a63be098495a4

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

That webshop looks quite a bit "fly by night"...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Small update:

We now have bootsector (qi) and bootloader (nand) source code as well.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

feel like poking them about the smartq 7?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I have those sources along with the rest of what I got :)

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

So in theory mer will run on the smartq 7 as well as the smartq 5?

Or can one say that the smartq 7 is just a smartq 5 with a larger screen?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

I think there's differences in buttons too.

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Hmm, I like the look of a 7" screen, but still no kb :(

Ah, I could still be tempted I reckon, but I agree, that website looks a bit dodgy :)

No reply from Samsung about registering to see what info there is about the S3C6410, anyone else managed to register and found anything useful?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

http://www.samsung.com/global/system...eet_200804.pdf

is what google spit out...

As for keyboard, from what i understand, it has USB host ability...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Thanks, I saw that one and headed for the Samsung technical site to see if they have some technical docs on the SoC.

I may have to try re-registering and see if I can come up with a better persona for them...

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

According to this rather terse datasheet, it has got Jazelle, TV output, and some kind of a keypad controller (probably a debouncer).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

and 2D/3D hw accel, plus JPEG accel, plus video accel (so much like the OMAP offerings), it would be nice if some of this functionality were available to be used, but that may be hoping for too much :).

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

here's a better sheet: http://semicon.samsung.de/applicatio...s/6410_PTB.pdf

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Search with google for S3C6410X_UM_Rev1.10_080822 .

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Thanks but it looks like I have to login/register afaict, anyone got a free linky?

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

The russian site (a bit down the search results list) has this document without requiring a login:

http://www.mt-system.ru/index.php?id...did=4&pageid=7

Re: Moses SmartQ 5
 

Good stuff, some more info in the s3c6410x_um_rev1.10_080822.pdf file from the looks of it, many thanks.

P.S. I should add that this file is a veritable goldmine. As soon as I can get one of these devices I'll be doing some hw hacking. Many thanks for the linky :)