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Go Window$ Task Manager, press Ctrl-Alt-Del, chances are you will have GoogleUpdate running without you knowing it or ask for your permission. I have GoogleUpdate running in ALL my 5 desktops and HAVE NOT been able to kil it. It is the biggest virus I have seen.

I like some Google, but not this GoogleUpdate. So does Help and Support from MS, did they ever ask for your permsision to run it CONTINUOUSLY at the background. Sure they did NOT.

Everytime I kill the GoogleUpdate and MS Help and support, my computer dl increases 100%, however, upon reboot, it is running at the background again, have NOT been able to get rid of it.

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Regarding this whole discussion about Google being scary, I agree, to an extent, that they've got a whole lot of people (and eventually many more) totally hooked on their free services -- what would be do if they started charging for them?

But realistically, the nature of the web (for the moment, at least) is that free equivalents pop up to almost any equivalent paid service. I've got a MobileMe account (because I get it free from work) but can (and do) duplicate all of its services for free, since I'm not going to get it free forever, and sure as hell won't pay for it. There will always be another free webmail provider, another search engine, etc (or at least there will be if Google does something that turns people off to them and creates the demand -- for the moment they're positioned to be the sole big player in those, despite Yahoo's and Microsoft's attempts to regain their shares).

The other point to remember is that they've managed to get obscenely rich off of pretty subtle, easy-to-ignore ads that are (gasp!) actually relevant enough that I'd bet all of us, ad-proof as we all are, have clicked on one at least once. They've got no incentive to do anything that'll piss users off as long as there's tons of money to be made providing excellent services for free that enough people use to make the ads worthwhile.

For the moment, I think we've got little to fear from Google, though I could see over-zealous datamining becoming a problem.

Oh well, I use a G1, so all my personal data are belong to them anyway.

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I am fine except for the sms. I wish sms would just die and go to some other standard, sip simple or xmpp, or anything. sms is the last link of chain around my leg to the cell carriers. I can of course send all I want through various services(various chat services, clickatell, etc) but receiving is a huge pain in the ***, and as of right now not really possible unless you pay some company about $20/per month. The gtalk sms was as close as I have ever been and I even gladly sent my daily missives, even to my wife, over google services, but they canceled it :(

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Other caveats.

1) SMS is not 100%, just like the GTalk SMS things like short codes are not supported, so you can't do things with services like Facebook/Twitter ( yet )

2) US only, international people are really screwed at this point since some will get the upgrade notice only to be unable to login to the new service because of their location. You have to use a US proxy just to be able to properly finish setting up the account.

3) Ringshare is gone

4) All your settings are wiped back to the default ( greetings, groups, ... )

5) All your phones are active after the cutover no matter what was selected before.

Almost-but-not-quite

Call presention ( "press 1" ) can be disabled on a global/group/contact basis... but NOT BY PHONE! This is dumb.

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That's not to bad (1 cent per minute). Do you know what the other prices are? (say Sweden or Italy?). Even if you talk for an hour that's only 60 cents.

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Ive been using the mobile version of the google voice page, as the contacts page will not load completely using the full version, and when using the mobile page, I, for the lofe of me, cant find a way to delete an SMS conversation from the inbox when done without going to the full page.

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Ringshare is gone?! Aww, I liked having the personal ringtones for friends versus co-workers, etc..

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Im just glad that dialcentral still works for the time being. Would there be anyway to integrate SMS send/receive into a future version?

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the rates are at

http://www.google.com/support/voice/...?answer=141925

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so basically like any other sip provider except US is free, but I am sure being the google that they are, they are making up that few cents per minute to US with some knowledge of usage habits and some shifting rates to other popular international destinations. Big whoopee.

The sms is cool though, how do they do that?

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now that google is doing it for voicemail very quickly, is it probable that NSA or some other entity is doing at least small vocabulary speech recognition near time on almost all calls? what do you think?

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Yeah i wonder how many doors are gonna get knocked on because of voice mail messages like "Hey man, this is steve...you stilll sellin weed cause Im lookin for a bag, call me and let me know." LOL

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Is anyone able to get the full contacts page to load on their tablets?

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Oh, another big problem.

The service will associate with the currently logged in google account and can not be reassigned at this time. So if you have more than one account/profile you had better make sure you are logged in with the right one before attempting to upgrade.

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On the DialCentral thread we are talking a bit about features, so I'd recommend going there so I have one place to look for when noting what people want added

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...t=27319&page=2

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According to this article it isn't due to Google Voice, but due to a flood of iPhone users bypassing their SMS plan limitations by exploiting the Google Talk SMS capability.

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I hope that when the new tablet is out we will have an option of having a reall sms plan to go with the data.

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If the new tablet isn't directly voice capable (GSM/WCDMA voice), then I don't want it to have SMS/MMS capability. SMS/MMS are attached to a phone number, and the last thing I want is to have one phone number for voice calls, and a second phone number for SMS/MMS.

If the new tablet is, from its radio's perspective, data only ... then it makes sense for SMS/MMS to be tied to something like Google Voice. Voice and SMS/MMS go together.

I do wonder what ZER01 plans to do about messaging though. Are they going to offer an SMS capability tied to their VOIP mechanism (ie. a clone of Google Voice), or are they doing to completely leave messaging to IM protocols and not address SMS/MMS at all? That would be a bold step forward, but it would make them very much alone in the crowd of "mobile voice carriers".

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More specifically an iPhone developer selling an app that exploits Google's servers...

We can pro'ly also thank that^ greedhead for Google clamping down all it's publicly accessible data recently. Including the map file repository that Maemo-mapper used. :mad:

UPDATE: The developer >> http://www.innerfence.com/google-shu...n-infinite-sms apparently sees nothing wrong with profiting at the expense of others.

Rather than offering a refund to those who bought their app that now no longer works, they want people to complain to Google instead. I think they are trying to come off as the "little guy" fighting the "big corporation" or some such.

Never mind the money they charged or the BS they may have caused OS developers. IMHO, they are just greedheads looking for that quick and easy buck.

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Sons of b*****s! Not being sarcastic, they really are sons of b*****s! LOL

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I just went and commented on their blog entry saying that the proper response is not for people to complain to Google. The problem isn't Google, the problem is them.

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It's the same kind of entitlement that got Grand Central invites turned off. People were selling them as an "Unlimited Calling Plan" on ebay and then just giving them a GC invite and directions.

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On my N810, Google Voice messages (unlike old GC ones) sound like they're playing at double speed -- sounds like a chipmunk, and a 32-second message plays in 12 seconds. Anyone else have this problem? Any fix?

A workaround is to save the message (in Google Voice, next to the message itself, click the More tab and select Download), and play it with Media Player, but this is clumsy. By default the saved message plays with XMMS, which gives the chipmunks. Via another machine, it appears to be a 16kbps 16000Hz mono mp3.

As others have reported, DialCentral still works (I'm using an old version), but of course Google may disable GC calls at some point. However, making calls on Voice seems to be just as good, and perfectly feasible on the tablet.

Re privacy, Google indicates that they'll store voice messages and transcripts until you delete them (obviously) and for a while afterwards, but it doesn't appear that they're storing calls. Indeed, I would think they'd run afoul of privacy laws if they did: I recall that for phone calls (but not for emails) you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy". But I'm not a lawyer and I don't know any of this for fact.

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Off topic but thematically related to my post above, a different voice-messaging service I use saves messages in an unusual GSM 6.10 13kbps 8000Hz mono wav format. That is, the filetype is wav, but it's not the usual PCM wav format I'm used to. I cannot find any way to play such files on my tablet. Anyone?

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Does anyone know how google is providing the sms portion of this service, I mean technically?

I know how most of voip works, but I have no idea how they are doing the sms part.

I assume they have their own big switch somewhere that takes them in off of phone network and routes them over ip and vice versa?

I guess this is some type of carrier software switch?

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never mind I see stuff here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_m...-peer_protocol

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_m...service_center

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sms_home_routing

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You may find more of your answer in that 2nd link...

Google provides a gateway between their own call center and their TCP/IP server I believe.

I'm thinkin' all you really need to know is Google's SMS Service Center Address. :)

... or for around $600 Euros you could set up your own >> http://www.ozekisms.com/index.php?ol...Product_Manual

SPAM artists may have also been one of Google's concerns

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cool, thanks for the further info.

so, who 'owns' those numbers that google uses? or can one just buy a block of phone numbers like ip addresses?

so does google actually have gsm modems or is their gateway purely over IP?

if these questions sound ignorant, i guess i am of thia subject :)

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Same problem on my n800. Just finally got upgraded and seems to work well. Transcribed test VM arrived in minutes and was translated decently. A few words off; I could see how it mistook my speech. I really like that the email has link straight (no extra login) to very simple playback page... of course playback doesn't work.

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The real problem is sms notifications. How do you know when an sms has been sent to you w/o having to check the site?