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Indeed, I think a lot of the ill-will recently blowing around the forum is because people have been confusing Quim spending a lot of his spare time as a dedicated and enthusiastic Maemo advocate which Quim in his official Nokia capacity.

In my mind, it's simple to distinguish the type of Nokia employee who's so passionate about Maemo that even if they left Nokia's employment they'd still be using the tablet, posting here and helping users and those who are doing 9-to-5 jobs to pay the rent. I don't think we see any of the latter here, though :-)

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Roger, I cannot express enough my appreciation for your contributions. Not just here, but your taking the time to comment on my blog also really meant a lot. I get very few comments so they are precious. :D

I hope you and I both get hired VERY soon.

...oh and Tim S too if he's still looking!

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Hi guys, just to tell you how important is moderation for the quality and interest of forums. I saw some forums lacking of moderation ... and the result was very disappointing, because most of the topics were polluted by stupid wars between members who had visibly nothig better to do ... and finally members became less interested and left.

So, thank you for keeping Maemo forums healhy and clean !!!

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Can we edit tags? And more importantly, can we see who has added a given tag to a thread?

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As you can see, we began discussing it here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=53

...but, it really should be here (or a completely new thread)? Anyway...

Reggie: Can you answer this for us?

Thanks!
Tim

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I thought I'd seen it somewhere, sorry for not posting in the right place! :)

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Well, no, I think this is a better place! :)

Tim

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Right now, everyone (active members) can edit create tags but only mods and admins can delete them. I think this should be changed.

Who do you think should have rights to add tags? I would think it should only be voluntary and only to a selected group.

The next question I guess is, how can someone apply to be part of the tagging group? I can create a publicly 'joinable' group so members can add themselves voluntarily to the group and immediately get tag rights. Good idea?

With regards to finding out who created the tag, those with edit tag rights can edit the tags and can see who created them by hovering their cursor the specific tag.

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I agree and I had commented the same thing in #maemo in one of those 'dark' evenings.

There is some logic in the perception that there is something wrong or at least suspicious when the same guy that is speaking on behalf of that company is also this community peer you can just discuss with. I don't agree with the logic but I understand it.

Wearing a 'SuperModerator' shirt in tmo doesn't help. Having moderator permissions doesn't help. If someone thinks that Nokia has intentions to control these forums, having extra-powers in them doesn't help.

For these reasons I will keep participating here because is fun, but I will do it as a plain registered user. At some point I don't even feel comfortable moving threads and intervening in other minor things, because maybe someone feels that...

My main goal when I requested moderator permissions was to tidy up a bit this garden and prepare for the newcomers to arrive. The goal is not complete but it's in a good way, and the trend is good. A lot of the work needed doesn't require moderator permissions (as penguinbait and qole are demonstrating) so I will keep contributing with bits and pieces, as usual.

I have tried to revoke my moderator permissions but I can't do it or I can't find out. Reggie, please when you have the time. Thanks!

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Revoked. Thanks for all the help Quim!

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I think this is a good idea -- so long as any registered member can join. "Open" tagging systems exist just fine elsewhere.

Ah ha! :D

Tim

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Am I not a tag editor, or perhaps am just stupid?

I can hover above a tag and nothing happens, I can click the tag, go to the tag cloud, click another one and go to the threads which have that tag applied. I don't seem to see anything by hovering over anything.

Using Firefox 3.x.x under WinXP

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Yes, you must be able to edit the tags to do the hover magic.

Reggie, can this functionality be moved to the publicly viewed tags?

Tim

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I have another theory for some of the ill will but that's as far as I'll go in mentioning it...

Sometimes the cause of a problem is in the last place some people want to look.

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So don't mention it.

Ah, vague - but not subtle - ruminations. You've said you're still pissed off with me in other threads; but I'm sure you probably include others as well (I'd hate to feel special).

Inspecific mutterings aren't helpful, though, really - are they? (This is a rhetorical question, it's probably off-topic on this thread)

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Hey, relentless sarcasm from council reps is equally helpful. Mature too.

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Oh FFS. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm trying to get disagreements out in the open so they can be moved past: life's far too short to hold grudges against someone I've never met.

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I'd love to get disagreements out in the open. Best way to deal with them.

Problem is, 2 of the points around which many issues revolve flat refuse to acknowledge their involvement.

Therein lies the dilemma. And of course that was sarcasm from you, along with an obvious grudge. I wasn't born yesterday (see?).

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Any particular reason why I am not a moderator of the Alternatives forum? Reggie, are you waiting for sometihng?

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He's still waiting for the results of the background check. The FBI asked for a couple extra days to resolve some "irregularities" in your records. Naughty, naughty!

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*bump*

Many people are saying that we need more moderators to sort out things here in Talk. I spend a lot time here so why not.

I can help moving silently threads in "noisy" forums like General or N900 that actually belong to other forums like Community or Development.

I have no intention of going for a more visible moderator role, not to awake those concerns about Nokians moderating the forum etc etc.

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qgil: use a different username for moderation, maybe "The Masked Moderator!"

I have to say that, after six months, I think being a moderator of Alternatives sucks pretty badly.

There is almost no traffic, and no opportunities to help moderating, but yet I have the title "Moderator" on my signature and so people say, "How can a Moderator act so badly?!"

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This is why I say "silently". Moving and merging threads, that's all I'll aim for.

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I'm currently moderating Brainstorm but have also volunteered to expand that to Community at large. No word from Reggie yet if that's acceptable.

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I agree that we need more mods - even if only on a temporary basis. If Quim is willing to do that, I'm sure it would be a huge help.

Right now we have an influx of people many of whom are just jumping in with their questions where-ever they land from google, and it's a bit messy. There's also a bit of aggressive fan-boyism and anti-fan-boyism which could use some gentle pushing.

I love how moderation is done round here, though. Please don't change it. I spent 8 years as mod and intermittent admin (they rotated the post) at a place which used the 'warning/infraction/ban' system vBulletin offers. As a result they had a rulebook longer than the EU constitution and a dedicated forum for arguing board lawsuits (though we did manage to neuter that by making people take any dispute up with the individual mod before they went to the bopocorn gallery.) By comparison the simple 'nuke it if it doesn't belong but otherwise hands off' approach is really refreshing. Mods move theads, merge threads, lift posts out if a thread develops two discussions... all silently and smoothly.

Huge, huge thanks to the mods who are keeping this place so good and easy to navigate in these busy times!

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Reggie, any thoughts?

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Done. Sorry for the delay.

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your title currently reads "Super Moderator", that's quite visible IMO :)

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True. Whenever someone finds this is a problem I will resign again. There is so much to do that it's not worth discussing. :)

PS: thanks Reggie.

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Super moderator in vBulletin is a mod in all fora, I think. Probably just what we need you to be. :)

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I will volunteer myself as a moderator for Multimedia, if it is felt one/another is needed there.

A quick edit and retraction, as I don't seem to fit some of the criteria. Well, if one is needed I am here.

Thor

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Hi everyone,

I would like to volunteer to be a category moderator, considering that I've been putting in quite a lot of thread flags to request for moderators to move them around as needed -- and I realise this is not the intended use of the "Flag This" feature.

Quick question, up to what point is it possible to filter out the rights of a moderator?

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I'm still open to moderating the Community subforum, if help is needed.

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I second the bottom part :) - and agree with the rest :)
I spent a few years running a gaming website/forum etc, and i'm thankful that at least this site keeps quite a high level of maturity (Better than most anyway) - tis may have been down to Maemo being a niche market and having lots of developers / techies, so to speak.

Now it more open, with a lot more end users like me.... I think it is inevitable to see a change, and as long as there is a sensible clear divide between where to ask questions(Correct forums), where to find answers(wiki, search, tutorials etc) and who can help, this should help. Alas, the internet forums will never rid themselves of the odd annoying person. Also it will never rid itself of mis-interpretation or communication issues :( - people are more willing to respond arrogantly in some cases :( - hard thing to sort out.


- Now that's a hard one to get rid off :( :(

I also agree, more mods doing the silent shuffling and moving would be helpful. Also, the Maemo Greeters are a huuge help :) - would be brilliant if that could continue to grow :)

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You just made my day!

And feel free to become one. ;)

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Hehe as soon as i outgrow the need to ask stupid questions like i did yesterday (why can't i get extras-testing working? - i mis-spelt fremantle....) Then i think i might :)

But for now, from a reasonably new users perspective they provide a sensible resolution and quick answer to most questions and issues :)

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Just a minor rant about moderation...

As expected, we have had a huge influx of noisy members recently. That is not meant to broadly slam anyone and in fact I'm gonna get real specific.

Out of that number we have a handful who *appear* to have an agenda here that even transcends constructive criticism. Personally I don't care if they're paid shills, diehard Nokia haters or just sociopathic forum joyriders but I have a big problem with letting a tiny, screaming, effusive minority damage the otherwise beautiful tenor of this forum.

To that end, I wish for a slight change to moderation, ie, that a pattern of bad behavior means as much as if not more than certain obvious violations.

I really believe that handling these few toxic human singularities will go a long way toward minimizing noise and restoring decorum to the forum. I'm disappointed they have been allowed to persist with no obvious repercussions despite flagrant poisoning of the place...

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Texrat,

**** yeah! Kill the N900 haters and castrate the ****ers!

(I'm serious, actually. Hate the phone? Fine: sell it and move on. But, please, don't be a **** and make a thread whining about it. I couldn't give a ****, and most of us on this site do not either (except for those stuck with an N8x0 device).

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Um... more English classes for my young friend! Etiquette 101 too. :p

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Interesting to see that the c-word isn't banned.