Re: Sessions you expect in the Maemo Summit 2009
 

There is one already in the works for Friday afternoon. Peter will put it in the schedule as soon as we have the name(s?) confirmed. That's for the overview of Qt on Fremantle and the path to Harmattan. Then the idea is to have someone from Maemo, Forum Nokia and/or Qt to have a practical hands-on workshop on the weekend.

More details expected in August.

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I'd love to see more user focussed presentations from cool applications like Canola, Maemo Mapper, ScrummVM and all of the other great Maemo applications that users would get excited about, if only they knew:

1. They exist
2. What they do
3. What's cool about that
4. How to get it, install it and do cool stuff with it

Any application developers or packagers want to make some proposals along those lines?

Dave.

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Sorry to arrive late to the discussion.

The main question for me is, what do these people have to say that will interest the entire Maemo community for an hour?

My favourite panels are ones where there is real conflict, real grey areas with people who are subject to different constraints confronting them, and where the audience is both split and heavily involved in the session.

What you're proposing sounds like a meeting, with an audience. I'm not sure how that would be interesting to everyone, unless we can inject some tension to it which creates a "death match" type feel to the day.

We *could* do a Hildon/GTK+ vs Qt death-match, I suppose... on condition that it wouldn't be to the death.

Dave.

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That was a long time ago. That original idea evolved into

Summit 09: Call for Input for Ari Jaaksi dialog, which seems to have some of the ingredients you mention.

There will also be a good representation of product managers and we are thinking of closing them in a room with an equivalent number of qualified users / community members and have 1to1 chats. Then they would summarize either with a session the next day or something. To be polished.

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Sounds good. A free for all with 200 attendees doesn't seem like a good idea but conveying the outcome to the rest is a must.

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Here's a list of sessions I'd love to see someone from the community pick up & run with:

• Tablet as internet device - show off different internet applications that you can get for the device, like Pidgin, Modest, browser, Skype, and make a nice 20 minute presentation of how they all fit together nicely
• Tablet as personal media device: Copying films to watch on the bus, music collection software that exists (Canola anyone?), and all of the other general coolness that you can fit on the N810
• Tablet as creative device: Creative software like Xournal, liqbase, pitivi, maemo-recorder that you can use to create and publish podcasts, blogs, drawings, video, etc.
• Tablet as media broadcasting device - how to use your N810 to stream video
• For more ideas, see the "Users" section in the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Users

I would heartily welcome such user-focussed rather than technology-focussed presentations which show how you can do cool stuff with your tablet.

I would also heartily welcome presentations from people who have done really cool stuff with their tablets that are hardware hacks :)

Dave.
Dave.

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Reminds me of the robot with the Nokia tablet 'Brain'. How about a talk of other OS custom alternatives? Android, a KDE install, Mer, Debian e.t.c in one talk?

I especially welcome anyone with an Android bias to talk about their experiences with the hardware running Android! (or Ubuntu remix e.t.c).

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It would be nice if one of the Qt talks (or an extra talk) would show how/why Qt is better for developers than the current Gtk+/Hildon. Especially how Qt on Maemo will handle mobile specific API for small screens, finger usage, etc...

Will there be extra API with new behavior or will it be the default API with different behavior? Will there be new mobile widgets? If yes, are those widgets available in the desktop version? Is the interface designer able to show how the interface is looking on a mobile device? Can it use the mobile widgets? What needs to be done to port an application from desktop to mobile or vice versa (in a way that it looks and feels good on both devices)? How will portrait mode work? Etc. etc. etc.....

I think there are many unanswered questions about that (e.g. here) and to avoid the current Fremantle Hildon/Gtk API mess/confusion it would be good to discuss it this time before code gets written.

Re: Sessions you expect in the Maemo Summit 2009
 

I'm in talks with one of the Qt people right now about what sessions their devs could bring to the table. Hopefully one or two of them will step up. ;)

Tim

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I hope those qualified users can offer some input about what is going to matter for the average Joe user (i.e.: UI) instead of discussing development issues that may be too obscure to be of interest for the standar user (no offense to any of the developers here, I respect your work inmensely, but most of the ideas I see proposed in this thread either elicit a "?" from me, and I am engineer).

Everytime I see a demo or video of the HTC Hero, I think "now that is the UI I have been waiting for". As a user, I don't care if such an slick UI it runs on QT, GTK, or whatever. The only reason I don't give up on Nokia and get one already is the hope that the N900 HW + SW + community will surpass that.

/rant

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Slick.. cough cough: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/

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Off-topic: I would have bought it already if it had an OMAP3 inside.

"Essentially, almost every aspect of Android has been reskinned and tweaked on the Hero. From the windowshade notification area to the dialer, HTC has left its mark across the device -- and it's a pretty handsome mark. The general design is much more on par with contemporaries such as the Pre, iPhone, and recent versions of the BlackBerry OS. You probably know what that means: lots of alpha layers, dark, shiny blacks and grays, and the occasional brightly colored highlight hue. It's all extremely slick -- if you didn't know Android well, you might assume it's a completely different OS... and maybe that's what HTC is hoping."

Of course such an UI gets sluggish some times with the HW it has atm, but damn even the widgets also look amazing.

Competitors have been putting the bar up constantly. If anything I think the Maemo Summit would need to be Nokia's answer to all that. Going to the Summit should be like peeking to the far distant, almost sci-fi mobile future.

Remember that you are not going to win by just copying or emulating a competitor - you need to go even further ahead. Offer something new and amazing no one else has. Then you will be the leader again.

Re: Sessions you expect in the Maemo Summit 2009
 

There is a major timing issue in the Maemo Summit 2009 schedule: three similar topics are covered in simultaneous tracks: UI Design, UX panel and OpenGL (Friday 15:00). Those tracks would have the same audience despite the presentations being from the different point of view. I really think that UI and UX issues are really important for those who are developing with OpenGL!

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I must concur with this. At least I cannot decide which one to attend, since I would like to attend all of these. I, too, thinks the schedule for these sessions should be organized better.

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I agree.

We could bump the OpenGL talk to 16.00 if there is no objections from Kate Ahola and the UI talk to 16.30, again if there are no objections from the Digia/User Experience Team.

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Does the OpenGL talk belong in the platform developer track in the first place? In fact most of the talks currently on the platform track sound like they should be in the app dev track instead.

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Got it. I'll move Open GL ES to 17.30. UI design of Maemo 5 will be handled hopefully a second time on Saturday.

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Not necessarily does Open GL ES belong on platform track, but I got plenty of stuff for apps track still and I don't expect 200 peope to code on Open GL ES. Am I wrong?

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We have similar issues in the community days. Some presentations related to application developers will be held in the platform track, due to the lack of submissions for the platform track and the big amount of good submissions for the application developers track.

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Well, I'd expect most of the platform talks (eg connectivity, power management and so on) to come from Nokians. Let's give them some time to come back from holidays and organise their schedules etc :-)

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Peter has completed Friday's agenda. In my opinion the result is quite impressive!

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2...y.2C_October_9

Also Saturday and Sunday are quite full already. Anything big missing?

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Eh... I don't think my proposed presentation was so big after all...

But anyway, this line up looks very good.

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Some more platform talks would be nice :-). At the moment the track looks mostly empty / spillover from the application development track.

If what's there now is all that's coming from Nokia (please say it isn't so - what about connman, ofono, phonet, contextkit ...) perhaps we should solicit some more community platform development presentations? A few more Mer talks would definitely be nice, like the ones suggested by lbt. The Python C bindings submission is also worth reconsidering IMHO.

Re: Sessions you expect in the Maemo Summit 2009
 

Platform related sessions are coming to the call for participation next week, yes. We wanted to decide first what should go to Friday's agenda.

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By the way, about Ofono/Conman it happens that Aki Niemi can't make in those days but I saw that Marcell Holtmann from Intel has registered. So perhaps we could ask him...

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Hmph, it seems that most of the talks I'd like to see are not happening after all :-(

Very frustrated...