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=DC= 2006-09-04 17:05

Yep, mp3 is still the most supported audio format out there. However, support other formats like ogg for the Media Streamer would be great. Maybe some options in the settings to install codecs and pluggins to allow for some customization could fix this issue.

r0n 2006-09-04 17:07

I got it running on Mac. Tried connnect360, no go. Uninstalled that, installed the twonkey media server and my powerbook appears in the server list! It was that simple for me...

MikeL 2006-09-04 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
ogg-format is more demanding on processor cycles and could have as much as a 10% decrease in battery life, compared to MP3.

Who knows, Nokia might have thought of that. Stranger things have happened before...

Talking about Nokia 770 Battery life, when streaming Audio and video direct to the Nokia 770 is a very good point in general Karel.

When I have been testing the Nokia 770 with mplayer and or streaming music wirelessly through non standard and standard Nokia 770 Audio/Video players,I have noticed that the battery gets easily "severely caned" and does not last very long before going to the last bar and brown in colour. If I switch off the Nokia and allow it to recover for a little, while it generally goes back up-to approx half/way and green. (I like to call this the "Reservoir Impact" where the stream (Power) is being released quicker than reservoir can re-fill effect)

Now when streaming my AV to the Nokia 770 I do not want to care "at all" what the originating format of my files/URL's Feeds etc. being passed by the Server to the Player are on my PC, but I do care that the formats being streamed from my PC are easy on the Nokia's combined processing capabilities such that battery life is not quickly compromised.

This is where the TVersity (Transcoding) Media Server could be a real star, providing specific streamed formats that the Nokia 770 and other mobile devices of the future are able to support while maintaining an excellent battery life.

Here is another thread that discusses issues which I believe are related to a fast battery drain occurance. http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...00&postcount=1

osma 2006-09-04 17:33

l doubt the decoding power difference of mp3 vs ogg has any impact whatsoever compared to the battery load of keeping the radio powered to stream the files over from the server... My iAudio player certainly has no measurable difference in battery life between playing mp3 and ogg.

lf anyone figures out how to use Media Streamer with Mythtv, l'm curious. Not having much luck with mine.

Luna 2006-09-05 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by =DC=
What server? What file? Remember, the devil is in the details...

My statement "Seems the server is down that is hosting the file.... any alternative links?"

Well I guess we can pretty much deduce that:

A) a server that is mediastreamer related
B) a file that is mediastreamer related

Just kidding.


Repository/binary link was down at that moment ;)

Jejoma 2006-09-05 10:13

I've succesfully installed both Mediatreamer and Simple Centre but neither can see the other. They are both linked to the same wireless network. Can anyone help me please? :confused:

Cracked it! I had to enable the X-Box port (For some reason that option did not strike me at first).

Does that mean my 770 will soon be competing with the X-Box :D

anidel 2006-09-05 11:25

for Mac users: I tried Allegro too and it did not work. Right now I am using Elgato EyeConnect 1.1 and it works really well, but, as the Twonky one, is a commercial application.
I tried to install the port of gstreamer from DarwinPorts, but had no luck in that. I'll try if Fink has it. Or I'll need to compile it on my own.

UPDATE: tried also NiceCast and again no luck.
I finally found a free Media Server that works great: the Philips Media Manager. It's closed source, but at least it's free.

Here is the link: <http://www.streamium.philips.com/>

Choose your language and then click on "Philips Media Manager".

Luna 2006-09-05 12:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jejoma
Cracked it! I had to enable the X-Box port (For some reason that option did not strike me at first).

If you got to settings/server it will list the ports that need to be opened.

mpancorbo 2006-09-05 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by syam
STEP 1
Download and install a mediaserver to your PC. Mediaserver is software for sharing content from your PC. You can do it e.g. with software called SimpleCenter. Download SimpleCenter to your PC from www.simplecenter.com/nokia

F*ck!

Why Linux-powered device should depend on Windows media-server? :mad:

So, Linux-users can't play it.

=DC= 2006-09-05 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpancorbo
F*ck!

Why Linux-powered device should depend on Windows media-server? :mad:

So, Linux-users can't play it.

GMediaStreamer for Linux works well for it. The link is somewhere in this thread.

phi 2006-09-05 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0n
I got it running on Mac. Tried connnect360, no go. Uninstalled that, installed the twonkey media server and my powerbook appears in the server list! It was that simple for me...

I tried twonky and everytime I restarted, it told me there were permission errors. It doesn't look like it ever installed.

I downloaded elgato's eyeConnect, which works, but after 30 days of trial, I'm going to have to hunt down a free solution.

Karel Jansens 2006-09-05 17:19

He, that's an idea: would GMediaServer work in a VMWare Player session?

MikeL 2006-09-05 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by osma
l doubt the decoding power difference of mp3 vs ogg has any impact whatsoever compared to the battery load of keeping the radio powered to stream the files over from the server

OK then its Audio/Video playback generally that canes the battery (with Wi-Fi) as just surfing the internet, the battery last a lot...lot longer. So if we think we are going to have a great time UPnP streaming media to our Nokia 770's, improved battery capability and/or spare batteries will become a must have improvement me thinks.

mwiktowy 2006-09-05 20:02

I noticed a new version of Media Streamer (v. 1.0-8.2) in the repos when I updated them today. Don't know what has changed or what the previous version was.

MikeL 2006-09-05 20:32

I have currently installed Media Streamer 1.0-8.1 and have the problem where application manager will not update all the package lists so cannot confirm that 1.0-8.2 is available? Here is the thread on the issue with regard to application manager where its not clear there is a solution http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...fresh+packages

=DC= 2006-09-05 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwiktowy
I noticed a new version of Media Streamer (v. 1.0-8.2) in the repos when I updated them today. Don't know what has changed or what the previous version was.

I also updated to the new version, and I noticed TVersity now works! :D

penguinbait 2006-09-06 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by =DC=
I also updated to the new version, and I noticed TVersity now works! :D


Where did you get the new version, I checked for updates and it shows nothing, I finally uninstalled 1.0-8.1 and I can reinstall 1.0-8.1, but I can not find 1.0-8.2

???

polyesterangst 2006-09-06 03:28

DC

Did you get the error with TVersity that MikeL was getting, because I was. I did the update to 1.0-8.2 and now I don't see my TVersity in the media servers, did you do anything in your set up?

---edit---
Never mind, I get the same error as before, that the current state of service prevents invoking the action. So for me TVersity doesn't work with the new update, and TVersity is working on its bugs.

SeRi@lDiE 2006-09-06 04:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by polyesterangst
DC

Did you get the error with TVersity that MikeL was getting, because I was. I did the update to 1.0-8.2 and now I don't see my TVersity in the media servers, did you do anything in your set up?

---edit---
Never mind, I get the same error as before, that the current state of service prevents invoking the action. So for me TVersity doesn't work with the new update, and TVersity is working on its bugs.

I have the same problem...

=DC= 2006-09-06 04:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeRi@lDiE
I have the same problem...

Okay, that's strange...the server shows up, I can even navigate to all the folders and files, but now they aren't playing anymore. All I did was restart the PC TVersity is on. I'm not using the beta version of TVersity, and I have the latest version of Media Streamer on the 770.

Update: TVersity has locked up on me again. Now I'm having the same problems as everyone else. Thanks for putting the curse on me guys. :rolleyes: [falling back to try out the Philips Media Manager ]

Paul Webster 2006-09-06 06:19

I tried it with the free Windows Media Connect from Microsoft.
It worked - but I had a couple of issues and I didn't find configurtin option to get around hem:
a) Windows Media Connect treats .mp2 files as video ... but are audio recordings from digital sources here. Since MediaSreamer doesn't play video yet, so they don't appear. (At least I assume that is the reason)
b) Can't see files mounted through mapped drive on a remote file server. Does UPnP tell the ckient where the files are rather han proxying them? If it does then I presume that MediaStreamer can not access folders via UNC.

lucky-luke 2006-09-06 10:02

Windows media conect
 
Anyone has tried with the build in windows media conect?
I tried it, but I can't see the 770 from the pc in my local network.
It looks easy, but I can't.

Paul Webster 2006-09-06 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky-luke
Anyone has tried with the build in windows media conect?
I tried it, but I can't see the 770 from the pc in my local network.
It looks easy, but I can't.

See my posting immediately before yours.
I used Windows Media Connect 2.0 - free download from MS.

SeRi@lDiE 2006-09-06 13:57

Sorry :D
I havent be able to get any program working except that comercial one from Nokia and still that program is crashing my network.

MikeL 2006-09-06 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeRi@lDiE
Sorry :D
I haven't be able to get any program working except that commercial one from Nokia and still that program is crashing my network.

The Commercial Media Server from Nokia is not from Nokia at all; Its a spin of or is it a progression of a media server that Philips used with its first Hardware UPnP players like my SL300i called Philips Media Manager. Now whilst Simple Center has improved the product and commercialised it I think it is still prone to being very resource hungry on many users XP PC's. Many new users to UPnP may find reading posts over at streamiumcafe useful to help understanding http://www.streamiumcafe.com/ubbthre...eads.php?Cat=0

Windows Media connect works and is free but its not the best of breed Media Server, For Music/Audio Twonky is very flexible as it can be installed on Win and Linux & Mac platforms and even network attached devices.

Tversity is my favourite for all AV because of the great ideas and developments but it has it little issues, one being it does not yet work with Media Streamer although the Tversity team are working on a fix that should be available in a few days.

ALL these Media servers need to be able to talk on the network so XP Firewall or others, Norton spy ware products etc, router settings can all cause issues with your media server being able to see your network etc. (You must open the program and ports through the PC firewall if advised to do so, but not normally through the router as that's to get outside your network generally.)

Now to the version of Media streamer, Yes the latest version is 1.0.8.2 and yes some users are finding that its impossible to download when wi-fi'ing onto a network, today I read a thread (In these forums) about issues with application manager and your ISP of all things so tried to update the package via telephone and Bluetooth and update to latest version just fine.

Having said that Tversity DOES NOT work with this version of Media Streamer any better than 1.0.8.1 wait for a fix from TVersity

MikeL 2006-09-06 19:24

Just downloaded and installed latest version of Philips Media Manager 3.3.12.004 in the interests of seeing how well it performs with Media Streamer and my Philips SL300i UPnP AV Media player. (Media Streamer 1.0.8.2 installed on Nokia 770)

With PMM the media art when available is transferred to the Nokia's Media Streamer interface i.e.

http://static.flickr.com/91/236155019_14441499ca.jpg

Just thought some of you may be interested, I think that you will need to be careful on the size of the thumbnails on the home PC as a couple of times the transfer of the image caused the Nokia 770 to lose its Wi-Fi connection temporarily.

You can find latest version of PMM for WINDOWS Here

I really don't know which other UPnP Media Servers have this option and even if its a pure UPnP Feature. (I.e. Nokia worked with SimpleCenter/PMM team to ensure Nokia 770 Media Streamer is maximised with their Media Server)

ilia 2006-09-07 04:47

I have to say, after playing with Media Streamer for only 15 mins, this could be a killer app!

mrp 2006-09-07 05:34

yes, as soon as it is capable of video.
Anybody here have a Slug and is using Ushare as upnp media server? I've been trying to connect with 770, but Slug is not seen in the server list. I checked with Intel's device sniffer and it recognizes ushare, as well as tversity and simple center as upnp and is able to browse folders

MikeL 2006-09-07 06:27

I sent another short email this week to the Team in Nokia working on Media Streamer asking them if the could include the latest releases of Media Streamer and its associated elements in Maemo Garage. You all, like myself will be pleased to know that they are already in the process of doing so :)

https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_...release_id=131

Notes:

The "mediastreamer_1.0-8.2_armel.deb" is the current latest release of Media streamer that can also be downloaded via the Nokia 770 application manager if you are able to update package lists and see it. ;)

The "clinkc-av0_1.0-12_armel.deb" I have to be honest and say at this point in time I am a little confused as it explains that
Quote:

This library cannot be installed manually via the Application Manager. You need to do it as root from Xterm. If you don't know how to do it, just install the Media Streamer from a repository and the library will be installed automatically
So if we install Media Streamer from Maemo Garage (When its included, not actually available at time of this post) does this package also get installed and then what does it additionally do exactly?

Obviously Time will Tell. :)

bsterix 2006-09-07 07:30

I have installed MediaStreamer, and it works very good with music from my TwonkyVision Mediaserver.
But i wasnt able to display pictures from the same server. Is it a problem of the player or the server?
The "Pictures" folders are diaplayed, but when i click a picture nothing happens.

syam 2006-09-08 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsterix
I have installed MediaStreamer, and it works very good with music from my TwonkyVision Mediaserver.
But i wasnt able to display pictures from the same server. Is it a problem of the player or the server?
The "Pictures" folders are diaplayed, but when i click a picture nothing happens.

The mediastreamer on 770 currently supports only music, I think the there is a plan to support Pictures and Video in future releases of the application.

forge 2006-09-08 12:05

Hi, i have mediastreamer installed on nokia 770, i also have this "nokia"'s Home Media Server installed on my windows pc, and i installed twonky to my linux box that sits in the living room.

Now i'm able to stream videos from linux box to windows box, and music, but i'm not able to stream anything to the linux machine, and that would be what i want, to use the 770 as a somesort of remote control.

Anyone have any idea how to get this done with twonky ?

MikeL 2006-09-08 17:50

Twonky is not a UPnP player but a server, what you need is a Linux UPnP player. Then Media Streamer will see SimpleCenter running on the PC as a serving device and hopefully the Linux UPnP player as a rendering device.

i.e. http://soggie.soti.org/gmediarender/
(Again cannot vouch for this product, but reading the information it seems to be what you need, especially as it mentions the Cidero Media Controller etc)

Be aware that some UPnP players are not designed to allow a controller to control events. (and of course Media Streamer is an early beta release of sorts) so you may still have issues to resolve.

markd 2006-09-09 16:52

re:gmediarender
1) Pay attention to this filed bug http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?16640 if you're trying to install version 0.0.4 on a machine with GCC 4.0.3.
2) Although my box running gmediarender did appear in the Mediastreamer window, I could not get audio to play through to it.

Any other Linux UPnP rendering packages out there?

=DC= 2006-09-09 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by markd
Any other Linux UPnP rendering packages out there?

The only other Linux solution would be djmount, which just mounts AV devices as filesystem. I have not tried it yet, but it looks like a pretty good way to go.

MikeL 2006-09-09 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by =DC=
The only other Linux solution would be djmount, which just mounts AV devices as filesystem. I have not tried it yet, but it looks like a pretty good way to go.

There is also GEEXBOX which will play media served by a UPnP Server, but I believe it's a UPnP controller in itself and is a complete Linux platform for media. http://geexbox.org/en/index.html (So a doubt its any use with the Media Streamer on the Nokia?)

There has been talk about UPnP player support being added to VLC Media Player but I do not now how far they got with it etc.

=DC= 2006-09-09 18:24

Oops, I totally forgot about the GeeXboX distro. It's probably more like MythTV than your basic UPnP players though. I also tried getting VLC to work as a client, but I was having really bad connection issues with it.

BanditRider 2006-09-10 11:27

Cidero ( http://www.cidero.com/ ) is a UPnP media renderer for Linux/MAC/Windows.
I haven't tried it yet.

MikeL 2006-09-10 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanditRider
Cidero ( http://www.cidero.com/ ) is a UPnP media renderer for Linux/MAC/Windows.

Unfortunately It's not, it is a UPnP Media Controller that supports Media Renderer/players, that allow themselves to be controlled by a UPnP Media Controller such as Cidero.

If you read the first few lines of information at the Cidero site, all becomes clearer http://www.cidero.com/

i.e Controller, Radio Server, Bridge

BanditRider 2006-09-10 12:41

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I thought it also played the media.


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