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So I've been pronouncing it right the whole time! :D

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Actually the rhymes-with-mike pronunciation is the most common amongst arrogant Greeks (I wouldn't know about the posh part though ;-) ).

We also pronounce maemo pretty much the way Jesus intended. More on-topic, does anyone know the correct IPA spelling of that? The wikipedia entry needs correcting methinks.

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Wikipedia does need correction indeed, then. First they included primary and secondary stress, which 'maemo' doesn't have, regardless of being two or there-syllabled.

According to Jesus (love saying that) it would be pronounced /ma'ɛ:məʊ/

I'm assuming /ma/ and not /maɪ/ because he said it's like 'the beginning' of my, not like my itself.

It does sound strange in my head though. It always sounded like /ma'i:məʊ/ or a nasalized /ma'æ:məʊ/ (a nasalized æ would be the sound in 'ant' /æ:nt/) to me, no matter how hard I try to say /ma'ɛ:məʊ/. Anyway, it's a proper name, and it should be pronounced properly.

And thanks again to Jesus for the clarification!

Edit: it might also be /ma'ɛ:mo/, not /ma'ɛ:məʊ/, depending on how he meant 'Monica' to be pronounced.

Okay, I'm bugged by this lol

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That is.

If you don't have enough hearing how I pronounce it (Latin variant style, like Jesus) you can also hear the Finnish variant (basically the same, you need to be acute to distinguish) from no less than Ari Jaaksi at http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/03/1...he-nokia-plan/ (it takes a while until he says 'Maemo', sorry but too lazy to find the exact time now).

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Sorry, it's not a hearing issue. I didn't hear you yet actually. Will do so shortly though =)

It will be interesting to see how this is going to play out. Maemo 5 will probably bring a lot more people to be interested in the platform than it already does (if the rumors about the RX-51 confirm, I guess) and several different pronunciations will come out.Use always beats standard over time. Let's see if people will try to pronounce like he pronounces it in the keynote.

In that sense, 'correcting' the Wikipedia entry would play a huge role on that, the way I see it.

Who can edit the entry?

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Well it's Wikipedia, so anybody who's smarter than fish. So I did it.

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Anybody, it's Wikipedia. . . .

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I know about it. The problem was that when I clicked edit all the other links it let me, except for the opening. Some problem with my box, probably, as I see somebody has already edited it =)

(My question must have sounded incredibly stupid back there :()

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The intro paragraph is not under a section, so you'll need to click the Edit button at the top of the page.

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Which I did, and that was I meant with 'couldn't edit' before. I couldn't open that 'Edit this article' page.

Anyways, I see now that what confused me with the phonetic transcription there was the same thing that has always confused me with 'man' and 'men'
I heard qgil's address and basically he pronounces Maemo the way I do =)

Thanks to everybody for all the help!

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I (and most most English speaking Canadians) pronounce the 'o' in Monica as /ɔː/ (the same way I pronounce "paw" or "caught"), is that what you mean? I don't see an "o" in the IPA key.

I think we should have T-Shirts with the IPA for Maemo on them.

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No, that was not really what I meant. I meant that both my suggestion /ma'æ:mo/ and qgil's /ma'ɛ:mo/ are basically the same (the one he uses in his address). We had the same sound in our heads when we wrote these, just with different 'interpretations' of the IPA (yes, they vary sometimes).

And about the way you pronounce 'Monica': really? :confused: The /ɔː/ sound usually refers to the way the British pronounce 'paw' and 'caught'. Compare the pronunciation in the link for the British pronunciation with the usual AmE pronunciation in this one (the website shows a similar IPA transcription but the sound is clearly different from the IPA symbols there). Try this for disambiguation, and to clarify what I meant in the beginning =). Maybe you meant /ɒ/?

Love the idea :cool:. We could even joke about this whole mess of different pronunciations. Put them all in the front of the shirt with question marks in each and the (hopefully) chosen mascot in the back with an official Maemo logo (which I believe is the one in the top (??) :D)

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Bobbe:

Wonderful to have a language geek on the forums.

You're right; I'm wrong.

I don't know the IPA phonetic system, so I assumed North American pronunciation of of the example words (using the "C" dialect if I remember from my single phonetics class). So while it is correct that I pronounce the o in Monica in the same way that I pronounce the "aw" in paw and the "au" in "caught", the British version of "paw" is very different from my pronunciation. The pronounciation of "caught" is different too, but it doesn't sound like the same vowel sound as "paw".

So I don't know. Still no "o" symbol in the Wikipedia IPA table, though. Did you mean "ɔ"?

But it seems the Brits pronounce "Monica" much the same way as Canadians: harmonica ... With an "ɒ" sound!

So should Maemo be written:

/ma'ɛ:mɒ/

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Thanks! I've been teaching English here in Brazil for the last few years, and this pronunciation issue is quite fun to watch. It's language 'erupting', in a way.

Which "o" are you trying to find a symbol for? The "o" in "harmonica" (which is /ɒ/) or the "o" in "Omen"? The "o" in Omen, in English, is always a diphtong, so you'll always find it as /oʊ / (or with a schwa, /əʊ/. (The schwa /ə/ is the weakest vowel in English, and it's kinda hard to explain the sound of that diphtong over there, but think of the sound of 'a' in 'about' together with a /ʊ/ sound.) The IPA for Japanese shows the 'o' sound in 'oniisan'. Is that what you were looking for?

Like I said, the /ɔ/ is generally not found outside British English (and/or Australian and NZ English, with some variations). So I probably meant /oʊ/ or /əʊ/ or /ɒ/ (like explained above) :D

That is the difference I found between Jesus' explanation of how he meant the word to be pronounced (exactly like you transcribed, considering that's how he would pronounce "Monica") and the way I heard it pronounced in qgil's address, /ma'ɛ:mo/ (or /ma'ɛ:məʊ/ as most English native speakers will almost definitely pronounce it).

(However, I couldn't find the word "maemo" in the other presentation he linked here, from Ari Jaaksi. If he could point it out I'd be grateful.)

And that's where the confusion still stands =)

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As an American, I have been endowed with the god-given right to mispronounce any word, as I see fit. (Thanks W.!)

May-Moe it is!




(better late than never ;))

///EDIT:

did we ever get that recording of Jesus saying it?

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lol

Americans are worse at it, true. Mispronouncing foreign words is a matter of patriotism for Uncle Sam, right alongside bizarre phenomena such as the Freedom Fries thing (sorry if I sound offensive, but that was just hilarious).

But English speakers as a whole will pronounce everything they see as it was written in English and be done with it. Right after that they will make fun of the Japanese when they try to say fly lice and say fried rice instead.

Lingua Franca privileges, I guess =)

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"It's FRIED RICE, YOU PLICK!"

-Lethal Weapon 4

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Because a classic never dies

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The whole confusion over the british/american pronunciation of "Monica" could perhaps be disambiguated by referring to the way each side of the Atlantic pronounce the word "pot"....at least, that's what it sounds like to my ear.

3 syllables? Really? Mah-Eh-Mo....that will feel awkward for a while. I defaulted to the "encyclopaedia" 2 syllable Mee-Mow. What's the rythm for the 3 syllable version? Even beats, or more like "potato"?

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The 2nd syllable is really deemphasized. You're probably better off just saying "my-moe".

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For ages I pronounced it in my mind "may-moe" but since I finally saw how it's supposed to be pronounced, I am working towards saying "my-moe" in my head all the time. I've spoken it out loud to others correctly as of late, while describing the N900.

Here's a thought- force everyone who registers an account on TMO to hear the audible pronunciation of it. :) Quim seems to have a good version we could sample from his N900 vid.

Oh, and when I saw qole comment on IPA, I got excited, but only momentarily. But yes, nice to have Bobbe here to set us straight.

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Next time we can have a lightning talk in the Maemo Summit with Jesus Climent saying "Maemo" and the audience repeating in a chorus during 5 minutes. He is actually a DJ used to public performances.

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Since we've been in language geek territory in this thread (and any decent singer is forced to be a bit of a language geek, right qole?), I'll point out that the "y" in "my" has a diphthong. The way I say it, it's an "ah" followed by a short "ee" -- two vowel sounds mashed together. So, I assumed that the whole "Eh" in Mah-Eh-Mo was less to suggest another syllable and more to spell out the diphthong in "ae".

Also, the word "diphthong" is dangerously ripe for punning. ;)

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Just thought i'd bump this up, seeing as how i was wondering this myself. I pronounce it "may moe" because that's the way one would expect it to be pronounced in English, which does nasty things to dipthongs, but i know that Nokia employees (Finns...) say "MAH eye moh" because of the way Finnish is emphasized.

I actually like the way may-moe sounds better than MAH-eye moh.

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Same here. I've said May-moe since my dealings with the n770.

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Yeah, I've always pronounced it May-Moe, although I'm sliding towards My-Moe after listening to various videos recently.

As a serious question, I wonder if the strange pronunciation puts of some new users? I've heard real-life stories of people not wanting to buy a Cinquecento (car) because they were embarrassed about trying to pronounce it.

On the other hand, people didn't know how to say Wii initially (some thought it was to rhyme with "why") and when they did know they laughed. Of course now it's become successful it's not a problem, but will Maemo ever reach that level of public recognition?

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The IPA for the Finnish version is /mɑemo/ or /maemo/ (not sure which). It has three syllables: ma-e-mo and the stress is on the first syllable. Speculation: The Spanish pronounciation is similar but the stress is on the second syllable.

It's hard to explain the IPA o with words to someone who pronounces "mo", "moh" and "moe" similarly. :) The English to IPA tables have the o but it always seems to be with some other sound.

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Oui. ;)

(Sorry.)

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Easy pronounciation guide for those who don't know IPA, but know The Simpsons.

The owner of the bar, where Homer receives his beloved beer, is called Moe.

If you had one of him in your pocket, he'd be "my Moe". That's basically it (adjust length of each word to own personal dialect; but they should be about equal).

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How do you guys pronounce daemon? It seems logical Maemo should be pronounced analogously?

I've always said "day-mon", with "mon" rhyming with John. Skipping the "n" and comparing with the above Simpson's example, I would pronounce Maemo "May Moe". Assuming "my Moe" is right, I would pronounce daemon "die-mon" which seems weird to me but might be right..

Where does the name Maemo come from, anyway?

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See:
http://test.maemo.org/faq/faq.html#general

It's a random thing, but apparently it does mean something (standard) in one language...

BTW, I think I've always said May-mo. Beats my-mo anyway.

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Originally Posted by jesuscliment (Post 287259) Hi all. This might come a bit too late, but i can tell you how to pronunce "maemo". I came up with the name, so... The origin is as stated: pwgen (a password generator utility which you can set to give you all character passwords) gave me an option, "maimo". I used 5 characters names for my machines, so i also restricted it to that. But I did not like the "i" so I changed it for an "e". Maemo was the name of my desktop, and little by little it gathered importance in the project, as i made it the canonical repository for everybody involved. And became THE server. And the project. And the SDK. And the OS. So now that the origin is clear, and me being Spanish and Finnish being pronounced almost exactly as Spanish... "mah-Eh-mo" mah as the beginning of my eh as the "e" in "pet" mo as in Monica, but only pronouncing the M and the O. Hope you like it.

So there.
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Isn't daemon just the US spelling of demon (UK) ? So isn't it just pronounced dee-mon, that's how I've heard other UK linux admins pronounce it.

Edit - here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-b...001.wav=daemon

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Here's the Finnish-swedish way of pronouncing Maemo. :)

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I'm fine with anything, unless someone starts calling it mee-maw (mima) I don't want to use a grandma OS ;) OK, may-emo might also be a bit annoying as well ;) though I'm totally fine with maam-o.

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hehe can't be a US/UK thing then.

What about skillful (US) and skilful (UK) :-) Also fulfill/fulfil, enrollment/enrolment.

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Maybe we should have a contest for the pronunciation like we did for the logo?

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No. Jesus proclaimed the pronunciation. Then, access uploaded an ogg of it being pronounced. And he saw that it was good.

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I was a "May Moh"-er until the summit. The consensus at the summit was pretty clear though for My-Moh. I kinda like it now that I am used to it, its like "My Mobile".

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I would agree. My-moh does imply (in English) a personal OS focused on mobility.

Plus, for the southern Europeans at least, it is the proper Latin pronunciation with ae pronounced as a long I.