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Rider 2009-07-26 01:32

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
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Originally Posted by luca (Post 306655)
lma probably meant a bog standard TV set. Just yesterday I downloaded the manual of an lcd tv (not planning to buy one, just looking around) and it came with a GPL notice and a link to the corresponding gpl sources:

http://www.sharp-eu.com/gpl/

Philips TVs also run Linux and come with a GPL.

jalladin 2009-07-26 03:21

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
I'm a windows user but I also dual boot to Ubuntu Linux at home but have to use windows at work. If anyone can help me prove that Linux can be a great system for official business at work please do, I found out about Ubuntu and thought since you can breath life into old computers/ get the most from new ones with Linux it would be better then windows for the military, we waste ungodly amounts of money on computer and software btw.

i finally got to a point where I can use Ubuntu comfortably, I really want to convert to Ubuntu only for home but due to Google chrome,i tunes, an a few other programs I continue to use windows while i wait for those programs to be offered in Linux or programs to replace them...

lma 2009-07-26 10:49

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 306605)
ATI is a major FAIL on linux...

So is practically every other GPU really, but at least AMD are doing the right thing with releasing chip documentation, specs etc. There's still a lot of work to be done, but in the long run ATI is the best bet for well supported graphics on Linux (Intel are also being good citizens in this respect, but that doesn't help unless your computer came with an Intel GPU onboard).

lma 2009-07-26 10:53

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
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Originally Posted by VulcanRidr (Post 306652)
I took a /24 and nat through the firewall.

I'm actually using a routeable /27 (as well as a /64 IPv6) allocation, which can be expanded free of charge with a simple email. The benefits of chosing an enlightened ISP ;-)

sjgadsby 2009-07-26 11:08

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 306783)
...at least AMD are doing the right thing with releasing chip documentation, specs etc.

Thanks for that bit of old school thinking. I was just marveling at the apparent shift from:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typical Linux forum post eight years ago
Yeah, don't buy Nvidia. They only provide those nasty binary blobs!

to:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typical Linux forum post today
Man, only buy Nvidia. They provide those great binary blobs!


Bundyo 2009-07-26 12:22

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 306783)
So is practically every other GPU really, but at least AMD are doing the right thing with releasing chip documentation, specs etc. There's still a lot of work to be done, but in the long run ATI is the best bet for well supported graphics on Linux (Intel are also being good citizens in this respect, but that doesn't help unless your computer came with an Intel GPU onboard).

Well, that's the right thing to do, yes. Especially when you're incapable of writing a working driver and hoping that the open source community will fix your ignorance. ;)

Bundyo 2009-07-26 12:24

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 306790)
Thanks for that bit of old school thinking. I was just marveling at the apparent shift from:

I've never had that shift, you can go back in time and ask me when I had an ATI. I probably will be more expressive then... :D

I don't care if I'm using a binary blob, I just want it working. The situation ATI/AMD is in now is having two or more half-baked drivers. I really need only one.

daperl 2009-07-26 12:39

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
The shift from nasty to great was because the blobs went from nasty to great. It wasn't the result of some sheep mentality. It was the result of reality: AMD had their a*s handed to them in what seemed to be a fair, competitive arena. And on top of that, NVIDIA decided to support Linux. Generally, I consider drivers part of the hardware. If they conform to and meet the demands of an API that the market or software people dictate, they've complied. Since innovation wasn't working, AMD had no choice, it was cough up specs/code or die. Or get bought. Or both. NVIDIA would have done the same if the roles were reversed. Let's hope that AMD continues to step up to the plate, but if you read Phoronix, things don't look good. It's possible Intel will be NVIDIA's next competition.

lcuk 2009-07-26 12:52

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
windows (os and development target)
maemo was my first "real" linux beyond livecds.
the laptops run ubuntu now, but main desktop is still xp based.

doesn't impede development for me, my n810 is perfectly capable of compiling for me

luca 2009-07-26 13:12

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 306804)
I don't care if I'm using a binary blob, I just want it working.

The problem with a binary blob is that it may work at a point in time, then the environment moves forward and the blob doesn't work anymore.
Nvidia didn't pull a "fixed in fremantle" yet ;), but one never knows....

lcuk 2009-07-26 14:06

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
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Originally Posted by luca (Post 306813)
The problem with a binary blob is that it may work at a point in time, then the environment moves forward and the blob doesn't work anymore.
Nvidia didn't pull a "fixed in fremantle" yet ;), but one never knows....

given a choice between working now and for as long as maintained vs not at all I know which I would choose.

luca 2009-07-26 14:48

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lcuk (Post 306816)
given a choice between working now and for as long as maintained vs not at all I know which I would choose.

Oh, sure, but given a choice between a piece of hardware working with a binary blob and one working with a GPL driver, preferably in the mainline kernel/X, I also know which I would choose.

lcuk 2009-07-26 15:04

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 306824)
Oh, sure, but given a choice between a piece of hardware working with a binary blob and one working with a GPL driver, preferably in the mainline kernel/X, I also know which I would choose.

as a lazy sysadmin, there is one thing i prefer more than GPL drivers:

binary blobs created from GPL drivers ;)

luca 2009-07-26 15:47

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lcuk (Post 306826)
as a lazy sysadmin, there is one thing i prefer more than GPL drivers:

binary blobs created from GPL drivers ;)

My distro already provides those, either included in one the binary kernel packages or as dkms packages.

daperl 2009-07-26 15:57

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 306824)
Oh, sure, but given a choice between a piece of hardware working with a binary blob and one working with a GPL driver, preferably in the mainline kernel/X, I also know which I would choose.

I don't think anyone is arguing against this. The problem is everything else isn't even close to being equal. I would jump ship yesterday, but even companies like Via and the guys that create the OMAP3 graphics chips aren't sharing. I never need the latest and greatest, so when there are FOSS AMD (or whoever) drivers coupled with hardware that meet my minimum requirements (robust, fast, ..., etc.), I'll be there. But in the meantime...

kingbirdfivezero 2009-07-26 15:57

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Run a mix of Linux, Windows and Mac with Linux being the predominate OS.

luca 2009-07-26 17:05

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 306839)
I would jump ship yesterday, but even companies like Via and the guys that create the OMAP3 graphics chips aren't sharing.

Given the choice to screw them or let them screw you....:D

deadmalc 2009-07-26 20:21

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 306610)
Yep, guess I'm not alone in sharing that sentiment...
I switched it off (and set up interfaces, wpasupplicant.conf etc manually), but Firefox believed my connection was non-existent and set itself to "Work Offline" by default, on each startup. It was a pain in the *** turning it off. (I think there's workarounds/fixes now, but they didn't exist when I was using Linux.)

Or maybe it's Ubuntu turning more and more into a shitpile. I had to upgrade from an older Ubuntu install that had an old NetworkManager and pin networkmanager in /etc/apt/preferences. Too much of a hassle if I needed to reinstall. Plus, I couldn't mount jffs2 files like I could with previous versions (I had to boot from a 7.04 live CD and tar it up from there...)

Whilst I cringe at the thought of using network manager on a server, using it on a desktop my experiences are ok. As far as using a laptop (wifi on the move etc) it works really well - well enough for my better half to connect to a wifi spot without any problems, and start a openvpn client.

As far as pulseaudio goes, I don't know of any other software that allows you to specify different mixer levels for different applications so easily (and I agree it's far from perfect, just try using skype with pulseaudio for the microphone!)

I think with a lot of these new ideas, you have to bear with them and see what happens.

And just be thankful linux has a good networking stack, and you are not left in the world of windows networking!
Nothing beats the vi approach, but not all people share my sentiment of pain ;-)

A.Sleckus 2009-07-27 18:08

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
im a mainly windows user just never had the chance to use linux.

johnkzin 2009-07-27 21:49

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
None of the above.

Mac and Linux (not quite equal, but sort of).

No Windows anywhere (I have self respect and STANDARDS).

ysss 2009-07-28 11:24

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
at work: Solaris and Linux mostly.
home: Mac for everything, Windows for gaming. I got a killer pc gaming rig that I don't use much nowadays though.
mobile: iPhone 3GS 32GB =P (it's so much better than I expected)

I've tried a bunch of linux distroes for desktop in the past (mostly debian variants like ubuntu) and I don't see then point of using it when I can afford to pay more for a simpler system.. I've realized that tinkering and fighting with the technical portion of a system does not have to be a part of owning a computer system. The OEMs and OS producer should be encumbered with this preparation, and the users shouldn't be encumbered with it. Not that I can't do it (re: my work), but I chose not to deal with it for my personal setup.

daemonforce 2009-07-28 12:10

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Ever since my first computer I've been using Windows. I think that was around 2001 or so.
My first OS was Windows 95. I learned so much about it and used it in such a way that other people probably wouldn't be able to figure out. But it's been so long since I've used it that I probably wouldn't be able to get anywhere with it now.
Around Q1 2002 I was using Windows XP. That thing pissed me off to no end. I was using it on an old box where I had to overclock it just to get it to run decently. I eventually stopped clocking the Intel and replaced it with an AMD. From there I was clocking THAT chip as well. Lots of fun.
Around Q2 I started developing some awesome stuff on .NET like I was supposed to. I've been using Windows Server 2003 Enterprise ever since. It's a great OS. It doesn't whine it doesn't slow down or lock up on the most basic task, it doesn't ask me to feed it, and it cleans up after itself. :p

Still I love vmware and many linux OS releases. I often have 1 or 20 crazy penguins messing around on the main server. I could probably run about 120 linux VMs on this box before I start having real problems though. People always look at me with an odd bit of confusion when I explain this to them. Yes my main OS is Windows, Yes I prefer running all my apps from CL, no I don't experience all the weird hardware problems and licensing issues that you do and no I will not fix your computer. o_O

People just don't understand. :\

charting 2009-07-28 14:00

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
I'm a UNIX sysadmin by day, using RHEL on my primary workstation. At home I have one system running XP (for the family), one thin client running XP Embedded; my oldest daughter has a MacBook. Everything else is running Linux.

nwerneck 2009-07-28 14:59

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
I use just Linux at desktop and notebook for almost 10 years, almost exclusively Debian.

I wished to have a Zaurus and an Agenda VR2 because of Linux. Now I'm finally free and mobile with my N800!

Great pool, outside of missing an 'others' option. Results are coming uniform, what is interesting...

rcsteiner 2009-07-28 20:23

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Gads. :-)

At work, my primary desktop OS is Windows XP, but I spent as much time on one or more servers as I do on the desktop, and those are running either Solaris or OS 2200.

At home, it's a mix of Ubuntu and Puppy/VestaPup Linux, Win2k/XP, and even Warp 4 for some basic things yet (I like using Z! to play music, for example).

VulcanRidr 2009-07-30 20:16

Re: Tablet owners: What is your primary operating system?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nwerneck (Post 307237)
I wished to have a Zaurus and an Agenda VR2 because of Linux. Now I'm finally free and mobile with my N800!

I actually upgraded from the Zaurus to the N810. And what a worthy successor it was...:)

Quote:

Great pool, outside of missing an 'others' option. Results are coming uniform, what is interesting...
Yeah, that kind of surprised me. It was my first attempt at a poll, so I'm fairly pleased with the results.

--vr


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