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Ah, of course... I'd be curious to hear what arguments they have for not allowing IMAP while leaving MAPI access open to the whole wide Internet :-|


In Fremantle modest will support account protocol plugins, so I suppose a libmapi one would be possible. I don't know if anyone will consider it worth the effort if modest (being a Hildon application) is going to be replaced with something else in Harmattan.

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No, it means we all saw the thread about 100% open source and assumed he had taken the same tone of slight overreaction here that he had there.

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I'm incredibly cynical, but the main reason is because most (not all) admins are hopeless, and getting them to do anything that requires any knowledge or skill is practically impossible

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Yes, it means, as GA said, that contextual cues are VERY helpful. :)

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Looks like this is getting announced right now, and it may be Symbian (S60) only. More news to follow...

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...form_allia.php

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Sound like MS Office Mobile will be making its way onto S60 devices next year, starting with the E-Series. There will also be Exchange connectivity involved. Nothing so far about Maemo, but enterprise clients should be pretty happy.

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Office (Word, etc.) isn't the point of this agreement. Share Point is. Share Point will replace Office in the version after 2010 when it totally an integrated piece of the platform.

Nokia's agreement assures that not only will they have a piece of the SP pie, but their devices will integrate better and at a cost savings that RIM can't match.

Add Maemo devices on top of that and you have the means for enterprises to accept, culture, and develop open source software, VoIP services, and pretty much become what Nortel dreamt of decades ago.

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So where does Maemo fit in to all of this? The press release specifically says "Symbian" devices, but I thought Nokia was expected to begin shifting high-end devices to Maemo. Will Nokia stick with Symbian for enterprise devices?

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So maybe there is a place for OpenOffice on Maemo in the near term...

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Nokia has not announced any plans to position Maemo devices above Symbian devices in their product lineup. Nor has Nokia announced a Maemo 5 device. Therefore, even if Nokia and Microsoft will be working together to make Office available on high-end Maemo devices, it would be a bit premature make such an announcement today.

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Very good point, Mr. Gadsby.

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Even more off-topic... How much work would it take to fit every important feature of OOo into the Maemo 5 HIG? It would be very difficult. But, if we could, I think it would quickly become a Maemo Star.

Tim

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Interesting. So a possible win for Nokia AND Microsoft vs RIM.

This makes sense in another way: Nokia finally canned the Lotus enterprise suite to be replaced by SharePoint for in-house use... scheduled for after I was gone of course.

I hate Notes.

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people, do not forget that this will benefit E-series products, maemo is used on N-series products...

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Tim, that would Rock The World. Too bad it isn't a path to riches. Fame, maybe, but that doesn't tend to drive the average developer as much as money.

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Actually, it benefits E-Series devices from the outset with the Office Communicator Mobile portion. Its the future development that will see other Nokia devices added t the fold.

FYI: Office 2010 goes web-based; and will be supported in multiple browsers; Maemo 5 uses a variant of the Firefox Geko engine, therefore it should be possible that not only its supported not long after release, but with a change on MS's end, or even with the addition of an extension, that Maemo 5 will be office friendly and ready with little end-user effort.

Ding!

EDIT:
Share Point is a huge cash cow right now, and Nokia basically got into bed with the perfect situation to get enterprise acceptance (easily) into govs and private businesses alike. All at the simple cost of making the already existing E-Series devices further compatible with Exchange environments.

Maemo has nothing on Symbian in this regard; and given the price of Symbian devices going down, can you say win-win.

Now, on the Maemo side, think a Qt-coded browser and accompanying controls...

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I would help do it if we new we could. Maybe we should start a wiki page:

• Outline important features
• Break-down important menus
• Wireframe OOo->HIG designs
• Create high fidelity UI

Not so much... Who would take care of integrating UI, graphics, etc.? Would we ask OOo?

Tim

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Imagine a web version of MS Office that's 100% services, where you could wrap any UI around it...

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for some reason, my hear was gray for a moment...

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MS Office can do that (indeed, I've seen solutions which drive MS Word in exactly that way for a couple of pieces of its functionality).

The problem is that the UI is just as big - if not bigger - than the rest of the app; an issue which is overlooked in practically every single major project I've ever seen.

So a web-based service-oriented version of MS Office would give you - at most - 50% of the required code.

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one thing about ms office btw, it seems to have mutated into some kind of RAD of in-offfice solutions...

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So what could possibly come next?

Nokia announces merger with itself, can't agree on terms and embarks on a terminally suicidal self-litigation circle before finally exploding in a great damp puff not unlike a flea's fart...?

On the other hand if the past results of (d')Alliançés with Microsoft have any bearing on the "partner's" future prospects, Nokia might not even be able to afford to sue itself by the end of this (d')Alliançé. :p

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Thanks...

Your post(s) brought me up to speed quickly when I returned home tonight. :)

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http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/m...ng-to-symbian/

Seems it's for Symbian, not so much Maemo.